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Petrol/Fuel

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Created by doggie > 9 months ago, 18 May 2011
doggie
WA, 15849 posts
18 May 2011 8:50AM
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How come its cheaper on Wednesdays?

I normally fill up on that day because its cheaper but have never really thought about why?

Anyone have an idea??

bjw
QLD, 3691 posts
18 May 2011 10:57AM
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It's a different day in every state.

Im not sure but I think it is because every other day is more expensive.

Mobydisc
NSW, 9029 posts
18 May 2011 11:07AM
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It used to be cheap Tuesday in NSW but that seems to have gone now. Fuel is now expensive everyday. Its probably a marketing tool to get people buying fuel on would otherwise be a slow day, like the day before payday for public servants and Centrelink clients.



subasurf
WA, 2154 posts
18 May 2011 9:10AM
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Is it actually cheaper on Wednesdays?
Meh, either way. I just jump onto fuelwatch.wa.gov.au before I go to fill up.
It's astonishing how much price difference there is around Perth.

Gunna1
154 posts
18 May 2011 9:37AM
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Even on the "cheap" days fuel is not cheap. On these days the fuel companies are still making a good profit margin. The other days are the cream on the cake. We are being manipulated by the marketing moguls.

doggie
WA, 15849 posts
18 May 2011 9:39AM
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bjw said...

It's a different day in every state.

Im not sure but I think it is because every other day is more expensive.


Elvis has spoken

Pugwash
WA, 7733 posts
18 May 2011 10:10AM
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Because Wednesday is business time

(Flight of the Concords)

doggie
WA, 15849 posts
18 May 2011 10:11AM
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Pugwash said...

Because Wednesday is business time

(Flight of the Concords)


True that

Poida
WA, 1922 posts
18 May 2011 11:56AM
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its 50c per litre in indo

dirtyharry
WA, 444 posts
18 May 2011 11:58AM
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Poida said...

its 50c per litre in indo


Wicked. I'm going there in August. Gonna bring a heap back with me.

Pugwash
WA, 7733 posts
18 May 2011 12:28PM
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That song is stuck in my head now, so I thought I would share:

Little Jon
NSW, 2115 posts
18 May 2011 2:36PM
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Lack of competition, too few significant players in the market. They constantly change the price so you never know whats high and whats low. Costs are not changing, some old hole in the ground, same old refinery and same old wages. The price of milk dosn't change because its a different day of the week. Its a failure of the market and a failure of capitalisam. Thats why we need regulations to protect markets and capitalisam from the corporated and right wing's twisted free market ideologies.

doggie
WA, 15849 posts
18 May 2011 12:49PM
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dirtyharry said...

Poida said...

its 50c per litre in indo


Wicked. I'm going there in August. Gonna bring a heap back with me.




Yea do that just put it Bintang bottles so you dont get charges duty

Ive seen it cheaper in Indo dh

Mark _australia
WA, 23726 posts
18 May 2011 2:01PM
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Most of the time it is put up on Thurs as that is payday for all Govt employees and Centrelink. Then Fri stays up as people tend to fill up then to go away on weekend etc.
It is very deliberate analysis of when they sell most fuel and then making those couple of days 10c/L more expensive.

W^nkers.

doggie
WA, 15849 posts
18 May 2011 2:26PM
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Mark _australia said...

Most of the time it is put up on Thurs as that is payday for all Govt employees and Centrelink. Then Fri stays up as people tend to fill up then to go away on weekend etc.
It is very deliberate analysis of when they sell most fuel and then making those couple of days 10c/L more expensive.

W^nkers.




Agreed, Saturday is generally a bit cheaper but Wednesdays is the best. Paid $1.51 for 98 ron this morning and I bet 92 ron will be around $1.49 tomorrow morning

Anyone got a cheap 4WD they want to get rid of??

evlPanda
NSW, 9207 posts
18 May 2011 5:20PM
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Little Jon said...
The price of milk dosn't change because its a different day of the week. Its a failure of the market and a failure of capitalisam. Thats why we need regulations to protect markets and capitalisam from the corporated and right wing's twisted free market ideologies.


You obviously haven't noticed the price of milk over the last 10 years. Or bread.

Lambroast
WA, 177 posts
18 May 2011 3:42PM
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10K and you can have my patrol :):):) Petrol/Gas


doggie said...

Mark _australia said...

Most of the time it is put up on Thurs as that is payday for all Govt employees and Centrelink. Then Fri stays up as people tend to fill up then to go away on weekend etc.
It is very deliberate analysis of when they sell most fuel and then making those couple of days 10c/L more expensive.

W^nkers.




Agreed, Saturday is generally a bit cheaper but Wednesdays is the best. Paid $1.51 for 98 ron this morning and I bet 92 ron will be around $1.49 tomorrow morning

Anyone got a cheap 4WD they want to get rid of??


doggie
WA, 15849 posts
18 May 2011 3:51PM
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Lambroast said...



10K and you can have my patrol :):):) Petrol/Gas


doggie said...

Mark _australia said...

Most of the time it is put up on Thurs as that is payday for all Govt employees and Centrelink. Then Fri stays up as people tend to fill up then to go away on weekend etc.
It is very deliberate analysis of when they sell most fuel and then making those couple of days 10c/L more expensive.

W^nkers.




Agreed, Saturday is generally a bit cheaper but Wednesdays is the best. Paid $1.51 for 98 ron this morning and I bet 92 ron will be around $1.49 tomorrow morning

Anyone got a cheap 4WD they want to get rid of??





What year? Sounds cheap

ockanui
VIC, 1321 posts
18 May 2011 6:07PM
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Prices are spiralling out of control Reserve Bank raises interest rates businesses raise prices to maintain margins Reserve Bank raises rates again, economic RSI how much can we all take before meltdown occurs. A two speed economy ,here is an idea let West Aust succede from the rest of Australia then they can get on with higher rates whilst we on the eastern seaboard can have lower rates to match our economy ?

Little Jon
NSW, 2115 posts
18 May 2011 8:47PM
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evlPanda said...

Little Jon said...
The price of milk dosn't change because its a different day of the week. Its a failure of the market and a failure of capitalisam. Thats why we need regulations to protect markets and capitalisam from the corporated and right wing's twisted free market ideologies.


You obviously haven't noticed the price of milk over the last 10 years. Or bread.


The changes we have seen recently is the same problem of lack of competition and attack against the real free market, coles and woolies have 80% of the market. Abbott can't even bring himself to critisize the tobacco industry

ockanui
VIC, 1321 posts
18 May 2011 9:29PM
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There are some insulting radio adverts running at the moment by the Australian Business Alliance group( tobacco industry) suggesting that because of plain packaging that will be brought into legislation will cause 14 year olds to smoke illegally grown tobacco and that it will be dangerous for them,so smoking tobacco from colourfull package is ok, since when has the Tobacco Industry developed a social conscience,?

ockanui
VIC, 1321 posts
18 May 2011 9:30PM
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That goes for a number of industries

nick0
NSW, 510 posts
18 May 2011 11:39PM
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i like people that will drive a few extra kms just to save a couple of cents say its saveing 10c in 60l tanks thats 6bucks .. but how manu ppl buy a 20dollar pack of smokes a day and a few beers at the pub arter work at 4 bucks each.. y does every one complain about fuel?

Mark _australia
WA, 23726 posts
18 May 2011 9:56PM
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nick0 said...

i like people that will drive a few extra kms just to save a couple of cents say its saveing 10c in 60l tanks thats 6bucks .. but how manu ppl buy a 20dollar pack of smokes a day and a few beers at the pub arter work at 4 bucks each.. y does every one complain about fuel?


People complain about fuel as our natural resources dictate that we do not have to buy in fuel from overseas .... yet the Govt saw fit to introduce parity pricing long ago, which ties us to the Singapore benchmark in USD
We sell LPG to China for 3c per litre yet it is about 70c per litre for your car. Why?

People complain about fuel as we have a bloody big country and increased freight costs = inflation

People complain about fuel cos when the international price of a barrel of oil goes up so does petrol ..... but when the price of a barrel dropped by 1/3 a few months ago fuel stayed the same! And the ACCC are too gutless to do anything.

People complain about the price of fuel because when it goes up every Thursday and down every Tuesday/Wednesday, that is disgusting. Do you see cabbages, milk or tissues go up on Thurs (most peoples' payday) and down a few days later, every damn week?
Do you see a big hike in the price of tyres the day before Easter and Christmas holidays?

Why was I paying $25 for 4L of motor oil 4 years ago and now petrol has risen 20% ..... but the oil has not?




mattyjee
WA, 575 posts
19 May 2011 7:44AM
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I work for a major oil company and I had the weekly retail price cycle explained to me a few months back by one of the big guys (it didnt make much sense).

Basically, starting from the upper point of the cycle each fuel company will drop their prices a little each day to try and be cheaper than each other (remember that you can only change prices once per day - this is a factor). These daily price drops go on until the fuel stations are selling the fuel for about 2c/l more than they can buy it for. This is apparently the break even point for the servos. This was the confusing bit - each company then hikes the price up by 10-12c, kind of safe in the knowledge that all the other companies will also do the same. Apparently if you get this wrong and do it a day early then you get raped by the market. After this, the prices slowly drop again and the cycle repeats.

I was told that this cycle (it has a name but i cant remember) is apparently a sign that the market is very competitive - but i think it is just profiteering.

I think places like 7/11 fuel servos don't really follow this cycle - thats where you should fuel up if you want to help break the cycle.

mattyjee
WA, 575 posts
19 May 2011 7:51AM
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Mark _australia said...
People complain about fuel as our natural resources dictate that we do not have to buy in fuel from overseas .... yet the Govt saw fit to introduce parity pricing long ago, which ties us to the Singapore benchmark in USD
We sell LPG to China for 3c per litre yet it is about 70c per litre for your car. Why?


Australia is full of LNG. While we export LNG, i can assure you that we import plenty of diesel.

We sell LNG to china, you use LPG in your car. Also, at least half of that cost is tax.

Import parity pricing is simply an oil refinery saying "if i wasnt selling this fuel, what would the consumer have to pay to import it from elsewhere (ie singapore) - i'll charge a teeny weeny bit cheaper than that". Thats no different to how any company operates if they are trying to make money and stay in business - and often the fuel can be imported for cheaper than the australian oil refineries can produce it - it's quite tough at the moment hence why the shell refinery in sydney is shutting down.

lightwood
VIC, 392 posts
19 May 2011 9:59AM
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There is no tax on LPG yet other than GST which is 10% not half.

Mark _australia
WA, 23726 posts
19 May 2011 9:21AM
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lightwood said...

There is no tax on LPG yet other than GST which is 10% not half.


Yes........ now why did it start going up and up when mor epeople started using it in cars? In the 80's it was a lot cheaper compared to petrol.

Matty I know LPG and LNG are different however they come the same hole in the ground by similar processes

mattyjee
WA, 575 posts
19 May 2011 9:38AM
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Mark _australia said...
Matty I know LPG and LNG are different however they come the same hole in the ground by similar processes


LNG is sold by the super-tanker to an import terminal in china, which is probably closer to the NWS than most australian cities. LPG has often travelled by pipe to a seperate extraction facility (which removes the LPG from the LNG), it is then stenched, stored at terminals, trucked to individual servos and put into cars. A much more complex process - a lot of that price is all the extra logistics that LPG has gone through as opposed to a super-tanker of LNG.

Going back to supply and demand, there is also a whole heap more LNG than LPG from a hole in the ground. I'm half making this number up, but LNG from the NWS probably contains only about 1% LPG.

GypsyDrifter
WA, 2371 posts
19 May 2011 9:47AM
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ockanui said...

There are some insulting radio adverts running at the moment by the Australian Business Alliance group( tobacco industry) suggesting that because of plain packaging that will be brought into legislation will cause 14 year olds to smoke illegally grown tobacco and that it will be dangerous for them,so smoking tobacco from colourfull package is ok, since when has the Tobacco Industry developed a social conscience,?


Stupid Stupid Stupid Add [}:)]

GypsyDrifter
WA, 2371 posts
19 May 2011 9:48AM
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ockanui said...

There are some insulting radio adverts running at the moment by the Australian Business Alliance group( tobacco industry) suggesting that because of plain packaging that will be brought into legislation will cause 14 year olds to smoke illegally grown tobacco and that it will be dangerous for them,so smoking tobacco from colourfull package is ok, since when has the Tobacco Industry developed a social conscience,?


Stupid Stupid Stupid Add [}:)]



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