Greenie definitely a pot stirer, so we wont bite..
- Be curious to know what most of you (as parents) feel about teachers after attending a parent/teacher interview evening. Do you come away feeling confident that your child is in capable hands, or come away scepticle???
When teachers, police, plumbers, builders, ect pay increases so dose inflation, that makes it even harder for us in the manufacturing industry to compete with offsore companies. 
. I hold teachers in high regard I have 3 kids at school, the teachers I know are genuinally committed to the kids they teach. But a teacher never has to worry about running out off work or losing his overtime or being told i have found someone who will do the job cheaper. From what I know about teachers wages they seem about right with the leave they get. And dont forget you will know how much you will be paid week to week. My 2 cents worth.
Ps. teachers have never left school
JMan I think you need to be aware of some things maybe you don't see in Vic.... like when an already undertaffed regional centre loses 30% of its coppers in a month to the mining industry. An already busy and hi crime spot becomes an overnight war zone. The attrition rate for coppers in the last boom rose from 10 a month to 40 a month (peaks of 50 now and then).
If you don't pay the $$$$ people p1ss off!
Teachers: I'm told the most a teacher can earn in WA is $60K (unless they go to admin at head office and they can't all do that). Now what other occupation requires 4yrs at uni, then pays 60K after 15 yrs at the coal face? Most graduates are earning that after a couple of years. Geez I could think of some who were doing $100K a few years out of uni.
It was at the point a few yrs ago in WA that the uni course with the lowest TEE (HSC) score for entry was teaching. Those who could not get into ANY other degree at all chose teaching as it was the easiest to get into. Do you want that for your kids? (No insult intended to teachers BTW!)
Nurses: have a look at what they do and the fact they are leaving in droves. Pay them more!
I got some red thumbs, what did I say that was worth red thumbing.
anyway, pay government and union workers truckloads and give them heaps of entitlements and leave because they are the poor suckers stuck on the conveyor belt of job despair and boredom and having work rivals trying to climb over them.
day after day after day after day after day..............
"striking" one day of exitement! yay.
it's like being married really!
Liz, I'm not about to read your maths document, I don't feel it is necessary.
What concerns me is the amount of time and effort teachers put in to develop these resources, when it's all been done before. How many hundreads of 7th grade maths teachers have done exactly the same thing.
In my experience with both secondary and primary teachers, there is very little information sharing and moderation of delivery and assessment materials, which would certainly save a lot of reinventing the wheel and the poor time management which results in sitting up late at night marking assignments.
Once you've been in the system long enough you will realise that it doesn't really matter what you call your documents. Yes they evolve over time, but the basic concepts remain the same.
Work smarter, not harder, and do some 'tweaking'.
Funky, the fact that a teacher needs to "keep the kids in line" is testament to long term failing behaviour management strategies in the schools. But how do you reform an incompetent bureaucracy? The lottery you describe is the result of a bumbling government department.
Get in there and shake 'em up Liz and fix Australia's education system...you can do it.
Oh yeah, and educate the opinionated parents and general public along the way.
surfinchick said...
Liz, I'm not about to read your maths document, I don't feel it is necessary.
What concerns me is the amount of time and effort teachers put in to develop these resources, when it's all been done before. How many hundreads of 7th grade maths teachers have done exactly the same thing.
In my experience with both secondary and primary teachers, there is very little information sharing and moderation of delivery and assessment materials, which would certainly save a lot of reinventing the wheel and the poor time management which results in sitting up late at night marking assignments.
Once you've been in the system long enough you will realise that it doesn't really matter what you call your documents. Yes they evolve over time, but the basic concepts remain the same.
Work smarter, not harder, and do some 'tweaking'..
So you want mass production with no individual input? Odd??
Funky, the fact that a teacher needs to "keep the kids in line" is testament to long term failing behaviour management strategies in the schools. But how do you reform an incompetent bureaucracy? The lottery you describe is the result of a bumbling government department.
Actually I think it is a pretty common mistake you have made to blame the school/teachers for a child's behaviour. In my experience bad behaviour starts at home and is usually less tolerated at school. It is truly amazing how many excuses for parents blame the school but don't look at their own behaviour or the messages they give their kids. WAKE UP BOGUN/IDIOT PARENTS! You can whack/cane etc etc a kid as many times as you like but if the kn idiot parents have instilled bad vlaues and behaviour then you are pushing sh!theads up hill.
The fact is kids have mega attitude and they are a bloody handful to deal with. Ha ha - I was ready to throttle a couple of squids, umpiring a 'fun' footy game on the weekend with a dozen 8yr olds. No way would I let my kids talk/give attitude to an adult the way a few of these lovely little sh!ts did. Pain-n-the-butt-too-much-hair-product-bogun-smart@rses. [}:)]
Hope they enjoyed sitting out whilst the other kids kicked on.
As for the lottery - it is just another of the more hidden unsavoury aspects of the job. Most people lose interest (I'm not about to read your maths document, I don't feel it is necessary)after pointing out the number of holidays teachs get. Yep - wouldn't we all love that part. I think we can at least all agree on that.
Wish I knew how to put individual quotations in like the teach. 
Think Principal Pat gave a lesson on this some time ago but it was all "Blah blah blah." and I was like "Yeah - like what-eva!"
Man the Principal's foot is gross and smelly!!
I am sure he has a thing for the hot teacher too!
Trust me... my maths plan is worth the read; might make you realize I'm not the idiotic 22 y/o 'beginning teacher' some on here seem to think I am.
2 cents worth:
I am astounded that some people believe that the average teacher’s wage is enough, especially when they are happy to pay a plumber or mechanic $100 per hour (no offence to you plumbers or mechanics, not having a go at you). Teaching is a complex job requiring unique abilities.
On a slight aside, I am also disappointed that secondary teachers are able to go from being a high school student, directly to university, and then be a qualified teacher. (Elizabeth, this is not an attack on you and I wish you a long and successful career). Surely students deserve the benefit of teachers with ‘real world’ experience. Of course for education to attract quality people who have worked in industry, the wages must increase dramatically. Whilst the pay is so much better in industry, why would you restrict yourself to the government education system? Problem is, the students end up with teachers at risk of being out of touch with industry and workplace needs.
Ok, by the time I finished writing that, inflation has kicked in and it ended up being 3.82 cents, I will round that to 5 cents due to the limitations of the Australian currency. Where do I pay the 5 cents though?
I am still confused, but as I said to a few exes "It's me - not you"
Pat - try hanging that stump over the side of the boat next time you are fishing.. good burly for sure!
Anyhoo.. anyone who has the nurries (and patience) to be a teacher deserves better than minimum (yes I know they don't get quite that bad) pay.
As for my 2c seasonally adjusted:
If private schools had to stand on their own two feet instead of being financially propped up by the tax-payers (whose public schools are not deemed fit enough) then there would be more $$ for teachers pay, amenities (it amazes me how often and how much $$ is rasied by fundraisers etc etc at my kid's school) and development.
If you really want a private school for your kids - then pay for it (or at least the majority of it). Don't expect taxpayers to foot 60-70% of the running costs of elite schools with far better facilities etc than state schools. Bah humbug! (he says diving for cover).
First up Liz I'm right behind our teachers getting a fair pay, I can't believe people don't want to pay a decent wage to get the best teachers by attracting people with the smarts.
Funky I've been nodding my head all the way with you until the private school comment The way I look at it the money the Gov chucks into the private system is the same money they would have spent educating my boy in the public system. As for my family, I had a very sad boy who hated going to (public) high school because of some of the AHole's you referred to who were making life hell for him. He's not going to a fancy expensive private school and for a single income family I really appreciate the Gov contributing to his education the same as they do (should) for all kids.
Just my 2c and sorry if off topic.
Dont know about striking as unions love to justify their existence but you sound like a good teacher Liz, its a tough job and requires patience, and good teachers deserve good money but i am very jealous of the holidays. Kids need people with passion
Fair enough Bob and Cranky. I was generalising.
FYI I went to both public and (very low down the list) private. My experience was similar to your boy's and it was a good move leaving that school in general.
It was the elite level private schools i was thinking of. At the end of my street is one of Perf's most elite schools - the kind where money is not an object. It irrits me that taxpayers foot a large % of the running costs so these snooty dweebs can have the rolls royce of everything (ie the joint has possibly the best music auditorium in the state - not just schools I mean the whole state).
BTW I am not saying there should not be some taxpayers $$ go to privvies but covering 60% (on average) of the bills is too much i reckon. More public funds should be going to public schools so that better facilities/teachers/standards can be realised in the public sector - thereby reducing the need for private schools.
Anyhoo - whatever school you do send your kids too (even in sh!tty areas like the one I went to) they should be entitled to a decent, healthy education and comparable facilities. End of sermon.
I'm nodding my head again Funky
Maybe if you send your child to a private school you should be means tested. Every family pay what their chosen private school asks, then the Gov pays a rebate to each family depending on family earnings and not how flash the school is. That way the rich keep sending their snots to the expensive schools and I can work out if an extra $100 a week out of my pocket after a rebate is worth sending my child to a cheap private school etc. Gov should save money and be able to pay good teachers good money in the public system.
Not a bad idea - not fool proof though as quite a few self employed can show little or no income. Win/win mostly though.
I will never forget Alan Bond's daughter (prior to his downfall) getting Austudy the year I was knocked back because both my parents worked!? WTF?! They weren't both working to buy an extra case of Moet!!??
BTW - your idea seems to be the work of pinko-lesbo-communists who probably enjoy kiddy p0rn and peddle pharmacuticals!! (just prepping you for the flack that usually follows decent ideas)
FOR THOSE THAT CAME LATE: (howdy Pat)
Liz - how did you go with the strike? Any outcome or just fobbed off with govt. rhetoric again?
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