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Created by FlySurfer > 9 months ago, 29 Apr 2012
doggie
WA, 15849 posts
1 May 2012 11:46AM
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whippingboy said...

Too late suckers.

For the first time on record, the Tasmanian capital managed six days in April at 24C or above.
Hobart's average daytime temperature of 19.6C equalled the record for the month, achieved only once before in 130 years of record-keeping, in 1993.



We are stuffed

evlPanda
NSW, 9207 posts
2 May 2012 12:11PM
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The trouble is that the topic has moved from science to politics.

japie
NSW, 7146 posts
2 May 2012 3:45PM
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^Classic!

Trouble is whenever a critical problem arises it always reverts to politics. Politics today have reached the zenith, or at least they are close to it, of manipulation by interested parties. Just look at the carry on with boat people and the noise surrounding that issue which smothers the fact that we are flooded with "legitimate" immigrants swarming in to the mines.

I just love the following clip. The technology and the resources are there, they already exist. The corporate world will evade change at all costs, even to the extent where it risks our ultimate demise:


Ian K
WA, 4170 posts
2 May 2012 2:37PM
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I'm intrigued that words to the effect of "little old us? we couldn't possibly change the climate, it's all scientific hype" still gets a run. Every organism on the planet interacts with and affects the climate to some degree. And many times in the past an organism has become dominant on the planet and changed the climate to a huge extent.

The "great oxygenation event" 2.4 billions years ago. Cynobacteria got a hold on the planet and produced oxygen. The oxygen rusted the iron that was floating around and deposited it on the sea floor. When all the iron was used up the oxygen filled up the atmosphere. That was the end of domination by the anaerobic bacteria.

The cyanobacteria are also thought to have triggered Snowball earth 650 million yrs ago.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snowball_Earth

Rapidly multiplying life then accelerated the recovery from Snowball earth.

The point is that the earth's atmosphere is what it is because of life on earth. Geologic records show several instances of dominant organisms swinging the climate wildly in some direction.

Stand back and look at how dominant we are. We've cleared so much forest and replaced it with shallow rooted food crops and pasture. Caught and eaten half the fish in the ocean. Burnt coal in 200 yrs that was carefully stowed away by trees, as part of the climate balancing act, over millions of years.

We're having an effect, don't worry about that. 200 million years from now another technological life form might get a run on the planet. They detect a 1 mm layer in the rock formations separating two distinct sets of fossils. "What happened here?" they'll say " It looks like the 6th great mass extinction!"


FlySurfer
NSW, 4460 posts
3 May 2012 12:47AM
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Ian K said...

I'm intrigued that words to the effect of "little old us? we couldn't possibly change the climate, it's all scientific hype" still gets a run. Every organism on the planet interacts with and affects the climate to some degree. And many times in the past an organism has become dominant on the planet and changed the climate to a huge extent.

The "great oxygenation event" 2.4 billions years ago. Cynobacteria got a hold on the planet and produced oxygen. The oxygen rusted the iron that was floating around and deposited it on the sea floor. When all the iron was used up the oxygen filled up the atmosphere. That was the end of domination by the anaerobic bacteria.

The cyanobacteria are also thought to have triggered Snowball earth 650 million yrs ago.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snowball_Earth

Rapidly multiplying life then accelerated the recovery from Snowball earth.

The point is that the earth's atmosphere is what it is because of life on earth. Geologic records show several instances of dominant organisms swinging the climate wildly in some direction.

Stand back and look at how dominant we are. We've cleared so much forest and replaced it with shallow rooted food crops and pasture. Caught and eaten half the fish in the ocean. Burnt coal in 200 yrs that was carefully stowed away by trees, as part of the climate balancing act, over millions of years.

We're having an effect, don't worry about that. 200 million years from now another technological life form might get a run on the planet. They detect a 1 mm layer in the rock formations separating two distinct sets of fossils. "What happened here?" they'll say " It looks like the 6th great mass extinction!"


What good will potentially preventing a 0.29c increase in temperature do the world when we have polluted it with chemicals and caused a complete ecological collapse?

Son you've got cancer, aids, gangrene and a brain tumour... Ma I need to go to a plastic surgeon to have my zit looked at... can I have some money?

FormulaNova
WA, 15109 posts
2 May 2012 11:13PM
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Sailhack said...

I found this a very interesting show last week.

www.abc.net.au/qanda/qa-climate-debate/10661338

Unfortunately, the best looker on the program (young 'Anna') also was way out of her depth & kept rattling on about how "we need to 'fix' climate change", when even the scientists know that 'climate change' can't just be 'fixed' as it's out of our hands (not to say we can't try to reduce our footprint).

Clive came across as the multi-billionaire that he is with vested interest in mining...although made very valid points that were supported by most panellists.


I hated the argument in that program that because part of the coast line is being eaten away by the ocean in the UK, that it is because of man-made climate-change. They make it out as if this dramatic change is an obvious indicator.

A simple google search of this coastline shows that it has been eroding like this for at least hundreds of years. Why is it all of a sudden a marker for climate change NOW?

FormulaNova
WA, 15109 posts
2 May 2012 11:20PM
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Razzonater said...

Trees breathe co2 and turn it into oxygen that is good but we keep chopping them all down and excess co2 that doesn't get absorbed by trees gets stored in the ocean it affects ocean ph which therefore affects everything it can't go into the atmosphere as the atmosphere is saturated with it so it goes in the ocean theph change kills fish and creates dead zones it affects all world currents


Really? Where did you get this idea from that the atmosphere is saturated with co2?

How does it get into the ocean from the atmosphere?

Where are all the dead fish?

Where are these dead zones?

I am not having a go. If this really is true, how does this work?

log man
VIC, 8289 posts
3 May 2012 12:19PM
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FlySurfer said...

Ian K said...

I'm intrigued that words to the effect of "little old us? we couldn't possibly change the climate, it's all scientific hype" still gets a run. Every organism on the planet interacts with and affects the climate to some degree. And many times in the past an organism has become dominant on the planet and changed the climate to a huge extent.

The "great oxygenation event" 2.4 billions years ago. Cynobacteria got a hold on the planet and produced oxygen. The oxygen rusted the iron that was floating around and deposited it on the sea floor. When all the iron was used up the oxygen filled up the atmosphere. That was the end of domination by the anaerobic bacteria.

The cyanobacteria are also thought to have triggered Snowball earth 650 million yrs ago.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snowball_Earth

Rapidly multiplying life then accelerated the recovery from Snowball earth.

The point is that the earth's atmosphere is what it is because of life on earth. Geologic records show several instances of dominant organisms swinging the climate wildly in some direction.

Stand back and look at how dominant we are. We've cleared so much forest and replaced it with shallow rooted food crops and pasture. Caught and eaten half the fish in the ocean. Burnt coal in 200 yrs that was carefully stowed away by trees, as part of the climate balancing act, over millions of years.

We're having an effect, don't worry about that. 200 million years from now another technological life form might get a run on the planet. They detect a 1 mm layer in the rock formations separating two distinct sets of fossils. "What happened here?" they'll say " It looks like the 6th great mass extinction!"


What good will potentially preventing a 0.29c increase in temperature do the world when we have polluted it with chemicals and caused a complete ecological collapse?

Son you've got cancer, aids, gangrene and a brain tumour... Ma I need to go to a plastic surgeon to have my zit looked at... can I have some money?



And......it's on to the next red herring

cisco
QLD, 12365 posts
3 May 2012 10:43PM
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Global Warming, Climate Change, Fact or Fiction, a Carbon Tax will do nothing towards fixing it.



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