It was interesting to hear that of the 326 Sharks tagged by Fisheries in WA.
136 have been Great Whites.
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It was interesting to hear that of the 326 Sharks tagged by Fisheries in WA.
136 have been Great Whites.
I think that number is wrong. You'll find that 136 GW is actually there has been 136 GW's tagged by WA and the SA government.
Very misleading by ch 7 and our government IMHO
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If that's the case, then the news report was misleading.
I had a question tabled in State parliament last November. It still has yet to be answered. Its on my work computer tomorrow so ill post it when i get to work. But yes the State Government is playing so cagey about this.
Spending millions and basically doing nothing
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If that's the case, then the news report was misleading.
Considering the whole time Channel 9 was reporting on the whale carcass "feeding frenzy" by great whites and they where showing a picture of a tiger shark, that doesn't seem impossible 
Is any time a shark eats called a feeding frenzy? Or is it only when news crew are filming?
only if it's with in Perth local waters.
anywhere else, it's a 'possible shark sighting'
Wow fabulous reporting, it's obviously a great white, what with the tiger strips covering most of it's body and the flat nose. His mates involved in the frenzy must have some sort of invisibility cloaking field or something.
well tagging Port Jacksons would be pointless, all the Bull sharks bit them, and when they caught gummies the Fisheries guys ate them
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Spending millions and basically doing nothing
and you are surprised?
stephen
Question without notice
Hon Giz Watson MLC to the Minister for Fisheries:
I refer to the Minister???s Media Statement on 27/09/2012 announcing that $2million will be spent to continue shark tagging programs, as part of a raft of new ???shark mitigation??? strategies. I ask:
(1) How many Great White sharks have been tagged by the Department under existing programs prior to 27th September this year?
(2) Has the government conducted any reviews into the effectiveness of existing shark tagging programs?
(3) If yes to (2), can this review be made available?
(4) If no to (2), on what evidence has the government based its decision to increase funding for shark tagging programs?
Thank you,
Jess
Jess Panegyres
A / for Nina Jurak
Electorate Officer
19th November ??? 7th December 2012
Last year i took this to the Labour opposition, i took it to both news networks, not interested, fisheries refused to talk to me regarding it. South Australian fisheries were extremely helpful and confirmed my suspicions in our local fisheries. Eventually i spoke to the greens and they shuffled it a bit but the question was listed into parliament just before close in November. Nothing to date. Although i will say i won't give up. One last point is the next time we have a major attack i'll be out screaming and the fact that my questions have been ignored will be an even bigger embarrassment.
Rigged up yesterday at Pinaroo, got all ready, just about to carry the gear to the water when old mate rocks up.
"Geez you're keen"
"Well the wind looks good, so not really..."
"Well all those excavators and trucks on the beach are collecting a whale carcass that has attracted loads of sharks, so yes you're very keen"
So I didn't get to go for a sail.
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Rigged up yesterday at Pinaroo, got all ready, just about to carry the gear to the water when old mate rocks up.
"Geez you're keen"
"Well the wind looks good, so not really..."
"Well all those excavators and trucks on the beach are collecting a whale carcass that has attracted loads of sharks, so yes you're very keen"
So I didn't get to go for a sail.
On Saturday they were picking it up. There was a windsurfer maybe 100 meters down the beach and maybe 5 kiters out at Mullaloo. I saw three sharks swimming past, the biggest maybe 3 meters
The worst was when it popped... the smell..
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well tagging Port Jacksons would be pointless, all the Bull sharks bit them, and when they caught gummies the Fisheries guys ate them
It wasn't the Bullsharks that got rid of the Jacksons, it was malpractice Nurse shark
What sort of ?????? up society do we live in when the local State Government has to seek a special disposition from the federal Government authority to tow a dead whale carcass to point X, to prevent add on cost as per City of Joondalup having to pick the bloody thing up and organise disposal.
This is on top of all the safety issues faced by the general public with the current process of letting it just wash up on a metro, or any beach for that matter.
What a bloody embarrassment 
years ago it was much easier- the carcase would have been towed out and "dispersed" with help from a decent load of Dr Nobels finest rapidly expanding bait suppliment.
stephen
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What sort of ?????? up society do we live in when the local State Government has to seek a special disposition from the federal Government authority to tow a dead whale carcass to point X, to prevent add on cost as per City of Joondalup having to pick the bloody thing up and organise disposal.
This is on top of all the safety issues faced by the general public with the current process of letting it just wash up on a metro, or any beach for that matter.
What a bloody embarrassment
I missed that bit? Were was that story
On moving a whale on a road..This is one of my favourite all time revenge stories
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What sort of ?????? up society do we live in when the local State Government has to seek a special disposition from the federal Government authority to tow a dead whale carcass to point X, to prevent add on cost as per City of Joondalup having to pick the bloody thing up and organise disposal.
This is on top of all the safety issues faced by the general public with the current process of letting it just wash up on a metro, or any beach for that matter.
What a bloody embarrassment
I missed that bit? Were was that story
On moving a whale on a road..This is one of my favourite all time revenge stories?rel=0
Troy Buswell was asked on radio/TV this morning why the State authorities didn't act sooner, and tow it out to sea, instead of letting it become a major safety and cost issue.
Buswells answer was just that, the State would be in breach of legal position to do just that, tow it out to sea, and is asking federal to have a waver in future for such instances. How the @$%$##$%#$$%$# hell did our society get so tangled up in such drivel that a law was passed though federal parliament, preventing straight out common sense approach, to remove a carcass regardless if its a protected species or not!!!!. Un.... believable
Is my thinking a bit wrong here, but if there were a lot more large sharks along the coast then the whales would get eaten faster ,lose thier gas floatation and sink at sea and not drift ashore at about the metro area.
if you follow my reasoning we should be breeding in captivity and releasing up north to increase the populations for just this reason.
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Question without notice
Hon Giz Watson MLC to the Minister for Fisheries:
etc...
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jbshack, not clear on what your angle is here, but SO SO good to see someone interested enough in something to get a question tabled to the schmucks running our house. Let us know when you get some answers to what appear to be very reasonable questions, surely these things are already public domain.
My two cents, sharks are scary as $*&@ (several scuba tanks will testify to my feelings here), but also very cool and totally needed.
Select to expand quoteCal said..jbshack said..
Question without notice
Hon Giz Watson MLC to the Minister for Fisheries:
etc...
jbshack, not clear on what your angle is here, but SO SO good to see someone interested enough in something to get a question tabled to the schmucks running our house. Let us know when you get some answers to what appear to be very reasonable questions, surely these things are already public domain.
My two cents, sharks are scary as $*&@ (several scuba tanks will testify to my feelings here), but also very cool and totally needed.
You'd think it would be public knowledge i agree..I went looking for answers and got the cold shoulder. Eventually i went on a no talk list with fisheries. I was polite but asked the same simple question and nothing. My point is as a marine activist i want to help sharks, BUT as a ocean user and Marine industry business i can see the negative effect the shark issue has been, on our state especially.
I don't understand why fisheries and our state government is playing the games they are? The South Aussie guys were amazing and answered every question i asked. They even went on to say they use CSIRO and a few private contractors for there tagging. They offered me numbers and names to talk too for more info if i wanted..
IMHO WA state police and fisheries are all about fast boats and looking good
Im happy to be proven wrong, but no one has and will..If what i believe to be correct, the state WA fisheries have only tagged about 12 or maybe 14 Great white sharks for all the millions they have spent
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IMHO WA state police and fisheries are all about fast boats and looking good
Im happy to be proven wrong, but no one has and will..If what i believe to be correct, the state WA fisheries have only tagged about 12 or maybe 14 Great white sharks for all the millions they have spent
Jbhack, I hope you're not saying you're surprised.
If you are then I'm very disappointed in you.
About this time last year when great whites were feasting on our citizens on local beaches, I said exactly what you are now suggesting is the case.
Fisheries and water police are only interested in "managing the problem", which is code for spending all the money on new and bigger boats and more staff. In fact, more of everything that is to their benefit in building up their own little empire.
I seem to remember copping flak from you on my suggestions for a cheap and effective solution.
It sounds like you might have changed you mind on the matter now that it has had some impact on your commercial activities.
That sounds a bit self serving for a true marine activist.
Do you think the tagging of 14 sharks will have a significant effect on the problem?
Because I don't. I didn't then and I still don't.
My recommendation to the minister for fisheries was to contract the job out to a few of the local fishermen.
They are the people who know how to take out a fish and to do the job cheaply and effectively.,
rather than spend millions on tagging programs which would achieve nothing.
I kind of hope that advice was taken, and kept quiet so as not to upset all the 'marine activists'.
Select to expand quotepweedas said..jbshack said..
IMHO WA state police and fisheries are all about fast boats and looking good
Im happy to be proven wrong, but no one has and will..If what i believe to be correct, the state WA fisheries have only tagged about 12 or maybe 14 Great white sharks for all the millions they have spent
Jbhack, I hope you're not saying you're surprised.
If you are then I'm very disappointed in you.
About this time last year when great whites were feasting on our citizens on local beaches, I said exactly what you are now suggesting is the case.
Fisheries and water police are only interested in "managing the problem", which is code for spending all the money on new and bigger boats and more staff. In fact, more of everything that is to their benefit in building up their own little empire.
I seem to remember copping flak from you on my suggestions for a cheap and effective solution.
It sounds like you might have changed you mind on the matter now that it has had some impact on your commercial activities.
That sounds a bit self serving for a true marine activist.
Do you think the tagging of 14 sharks will have a significant effect on the problem?
Because I don't. I didn't then and I still don't.
My recommendation to the minister for fisheries was to contract the job out to a few of the local fishermen.
They are the people who know how to take out a fish and to do the job cheaply and effectively.,
rather than spend millions on tagging programs which would achieve nothing.
I kind of hope that advice was taken, and kept quiet so as not to upset all the 'marine activists'.
Sorry i think you missed my point. I don't want any sharks harmed..FULLSTOP. Its their ocean and we play in it at our risk. Sharks are needed and i don't think people understand how important they to our survival..I cant be clearer than that
I haven't changed my tune. In fact the question for parliament was entered in November last year. I really got fired up the Friday before the Death of Big Red at wedge..I contacted fisheries on the Friday and their answer's to the issue was pathetic. Then on the Monday i got fired up and started to push and have been ever since. In fact i obviously upset many on here for being different than most, but i just stopped posting on the issue but my want for answers has not dwindled.
The big issue is is the handling of the issues and the distribution of moneys by our government on the issue. Seriously our state government has given money (nearly $600 000 ) to two studies. One to try blowing bubbles under water, and two to test playing music under water That is ****ed up IMHO. Sorry to bring Katana in but his idea, a intelligent shark repellent to be fitted into surf boards was not considered. WHY IMHO because the first two grants really just went to a University study. That money will be used by the UNI to do what they need. We the water users will get no benefit from it a bet you
Its all just a play for the media and the stupid masses..
Sorry of my soapbox now..
As I understand it it's is solely a 'fish resource issue' with regards to GWS, Police have little to no authority to do anything, so the comments about Police are mis-directed. By the time police can get involved its arguable all a bit too late. Your attention needs to be on fisheries at state level, and god knows who at federal level.
I went looking for the 'chain of command' and procedures on the interweb last year after the attack at Wedge in regards to shark sightings and alerting the public. It's a dogs breakfast. I can't be bothered looking for it again but who-ever had responsibility for it didn't have the 24/7 capacity to respond and process shark sightings and alerting the public in a timely manner so it eventually fell to water police (for WA) who did a risk assessment then alerted the public through SLSWA.
I think I have it saved at work, I'll try and remember to look for it tomorrow.
Edit: found some of it.
www.fish.wa.gov.au/Education-and-Partnerships/Shark-Hazard/Pages/Shark-sightings-and-response.aspx
So basically shark sightings etc are a fisheries issue but it looks like they rely on everyone else doing the groundwork, then they turn up in their boat to watch a few sharks feeding on a carcass... Then do nothing because the dead whale is a protected species so they can't tow it out to sea.
The well oiled cogs of bureaucracy at their finest.
And people wonder why I'm such a cynical ****.
Could of tagged all the sharks in the metro area if they left the carcass where it was, save a few dollars, win win minus the smell
I just really want to know why the government denied Australian ocean users the chance to have access to tagged shark tracking information like this, by not allowing these people to come and tag sharks in our waters...
www.ocearch.org/
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As I understand it it's is solely a 'fish resource issue' with regards to GWS, Police have little to no authority to do anything, so the comments about Police are mis-directed. By the time police can get involved its arguable all a bit too late. Your attention needs to be on fisheries at state level, and god knows who at federal level.
I went looking for the 'chain of command' and procedures on the interweb last year after the attack at Wedge in regards to shark sightings and alerting the public. It's a dogs breakfast. I can't be bothered looking for it again but who-ever had responsibility for it didn't have the 24/7 capacity to respond and process shark sightings and alerting the public in a timely manner so it eventually fell to water police (for WA) who did a risk assessment then alerted the public through SLSWA.
I think I have it saved at work, I'll try and remember to look for it tomorrow.
Edit: found some of it.
www.fish.wa.gov.au/Education-and-Partnerships/Shark-Hazard/Pages/Shark-sightings-and-response.aspx
So basically shark sightings etc are a fisheries issue but it looks like they rely on everyone else doing the groundwork, then they turn up in their boat to watch a few sharks feeding on a carcass... Then do nothing because the dead whale is a protected species so they can't tow it out to sea.
Chris you right first point for call and all handling of Shark alarms, issues is the Water Police. Thats for initial handling and immediate response issues. My beef is a little more on what the SO CALLED millions is getting spent on in our name They then notify SLSWA and SLSWA then send out a Twitter message. They have stopped sending out warnings on FB because they said it is too timely and not with in their budget. Seriously who on here has Twitter. Its stupid and if they don't have the resources to make a few FB posts a year, do they really need another Half a million dollar boat? Do they really need a new 65 foot boat to help tag sharks, when they already have a 60 foot one? Especially when the've only tagged between 12 to 14 Great Whites?
I wont to know why
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Could of tagged all the sharks in the metro area if they left the carcass where it was, save a few dollars, win win minus the smell
The last big issue on this point is that local governments don't want whales washing up on their beaches. It very expensive and in the old days often they would tow them back out to sea, hoping the currents would take them to another area SO it became law not to inter fear with a caracas until it hits land. Then that council has to pay the clean up SO its a financial thing
