Southace if you bring out that 1 in 2.5mil stat again I will be forced to drive over to qld and beat you over the head with a stats 101 text 
If you really think a keen grace town local has the same chance of being eaten as my 95 yr old grandma who lives in boulder then ???????
Just on another shark attack in the Eastern states..
Not sure what though or any other details..
To busy watching Christmas Island's fun news
Select to expand quotesouthace said..
P.S if you watching Shark week I'm on the occasional doco with tagging in Australia.
A show coming up at 8:30 is about tagging in Aus..You in that one..
Select to expand quoteAgent000 said...
Southace if you bring out that 1 in 2.5mil stat again I will be forced to drive over to qld and beat you over the head with a stats 101 text
If you really think a keen grace town local has the same chance of being eaten as my 95 yr old grandma who lives in boulder then ???????
Depends if your grandma paddles into 8 foot bombs at the womb.....
Been watching a bit of shark week also.
A story on GWS on the west coast of the US had some interesting conclusions mainly from those pop-off tags.
In the winter many males head to "Shark Cafe" halfway between California and Hawaii (to hang out and feed on squid?). The females head all the way to Hawaii (who even knew Great Whites were found of Hawaii?). Some females then head to Shark Cafe, too feed and hook up presumable. Gestation time is unknown but could be as much as 18 months. The females that stay in Hawaii are assumed to be pregnant already and the warm water saves energy helping gestation.
Pretty cool I thought.
Using the 10 years of dorsal fin photos the same show also estimated that the GWS population off West Coast numbered about 220.
Not really on topic but I've typed it now so might as well post.
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I like that fact some people are actualy learning from this thread even the fact that some are googling there facts from places such as Christmas Island...etc....it's showing a real turn around from the cull cull approach as its possible people are realising that's not going to be a option in the near future.
The fact is that the sharks are in the sea and we enter there domain. Like I said from the start technology and education is the only way in the short term we can live together.
Ironic shark week is running docos on GWS and it seems they are all about tagging with Accustic and pop off tags which is all to do with pole tagging and fairly basic technology using satellite transmissions....this is not real time tracking as real time tracking needs a personal GPS bolted to the the animal.
Diving company's are closing down and beach uses seem to have a bit of paranoia going on so I belive the stranded attacks will actually decrease now over the next few years Until a good option of alarming people if sharks are in the area and people feel safe again. from the start of this thread I gave this option ...technology, education and warning alarms but it seemed most where to angry at the time to understand this is our options.
I still think 1 death is unfortunate but from 2.5 million in WA over a 12 month period seems the odds are still on our side not the GWS.
P.S if you watching Shark week I'm on the occasional doco with tagging in Australia.
Geez you are so full of it.
There hasn't been any turn around by anyone here, no one bagged the tagging and you're not the only person who had that idea, so you can stop congratulating yourself for that.
The people who want culling still want it and that's due to the fact that the 'authorities' have squandered the tagging budget with no results.
I never said I wanted culling, but I can understand the call for it and wouldn't lose any sleep over it.
I still disagree with you that the numbers of GWs haven't increased due to being protected, but am willing to admit there is no evidence to show either way, something you can't do.
You haven't changed or learned, and are still narrow minded enough to think that less people in the water is a good thing.
You certainly haven't learned anything about statistics.
Tagging is not a short term solution, but that doesn't matter cause you seem to have some sort of vested interest in it.
Select to expand quotekiterboy said..southace said...
I like that fact some people are actualy learning from this thread even the fact that some are googling there facts from places such as Christmas Island...etc....it's showing a real turn around from the cull cull approach as its possible people are realising that's not going to be a option in the near future.
The fact is that the sharks are in the sea and we enter there domain. Like I said from the start technology and education is the only way in the short term we can live together.
Ironic shark week is running docos on GWS and it seems they are all about tagging with Accustic and pop off tags which is all to do with pole tagging and fairly basic technology using satellite transmissions....this is not real time tracking as real time tracking needs a personal GPS bolted to the the animal.
Diving company's are closing down and beach uses seem to have a bit of paranoia going on so I belive the stranded attacks will actually decrease now over the next few years Until a good option of alarming people if sharks are in the area and people feel safe again. from the start of this thread I gave this option ...technology, education and warning alarms but it seemed most where to angry at the time to understand this is our options.
I still think 1 death is unfortunate but from 2.5 million in WA over a 12 month period seems the odds are still on our side not the GWS.
P.S if you watching Shark week I'm on the occasional doco with tagging in Australia.
Geez you are so full of it.
There hasn't been any turn around by anyone here, no one bagged the tagging and you're not the only person who had that idea, so you can stop congratulating yourself for that.
The people who want culling still want it and that's due to the fact that the 'authorities' have squandered the tagging budget with no results.
I never said I wanted culling, but I can understand the call for it and wouldn't lose any sleep over it.
I still disagree with you that the numbers of GWs haven't increased due to being protected, but am willing to admit there is no evidence to show either way, something you can't do.
You haven't changed or learned, and are still narrow minded enough to think that less people in the water is a good thing.
You certainly haven't learned anything about statistics.
Tagging is not a short term solution, but that doesn't matter cause you seem to have some sort of vested interest in it.
Would you kindly explain your experiences with GWS Other than the googled information you are providing us with? How long have you been associated with GWS studies ? have you actually ever seen one in real life? What sea experience do you actually have? This would be much appreciated ...cheers
Select to expand quote[b]southace said..
P.S if you watching Shark week I'm on the occasional doco with tagging in Australia.[/b]
I'm curious - is your's a speaking part, sharing insights with we who haven't seen a great white through a dive mask? Maybe you drive the boat? Are you the bloke applying the tag? You're not the marine biologist...hmm, maybe you're the one I think of as the teaser, y'know, the chunk-of-tuna-on-a-string guy?
Actually, you know, this really isn't about you... don't worry about it.
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Would you kindly explain how you learned statistics?
Cheers
He does have a valid question Kiteboy. You talk the talk, so why not share your experience?
Me i have been sailing in the water since i was 1 week old. Surfed since i was 13 years old, worked almost directly with Fisheries, Water police and many commercial operators over the last 20 years. Have had a interest in sharks after reading the "Shark Attack Files" as a boy of 14. Have spoken with just about anyone who will talk to me regarding sharks, including victims, so called experts, both locally and internationally.
I have been very surprised at times as to some info given.
One of the big studies i did (A long time ago) that made me see something in a different light from how it was sold in the media/theoretical world, was the story of the Indianapolis Fear and scare mongering sells and sadly the truth is a lot more tame in reality..
Kiteboy, you find any refugees in your back yard I guess thats part of the question. Southace has real time experience and has explained that. It would be like me telling you how the refugee issue is on Christmas Island. I would think your experience would be more real time experience than mine would..So feel free to answer him
(It really isn't of any interest, other than the fact that you have challenged his credibility, but offered nothing in exchange. Thats all)
Awesome, a seamanship dick measuring thread :)
Can we argue about who has a bigger boat now?
Select to expand quotejbshack said..kiterboy said..
Would you kindly explain how you learned statistics?
Cheers
He does have a valid question Kiteboy. You talk the talk, so why not share your experience?
Me i have been sailing in the water since i was 1 week old. Surfed since i was 13 years old, worked almost directly with Fisheries, Water police and many commercial operators over the last 20 years. Have had a interest in sharks after reading the "Shark Attack Files" as a boy of 14. Have spoken with just about anyone who will talk to me regarding sharks, including victims, so called experts, both locally and internationally.
I have been very surprised at times as to some info given.
One of the big studies i did (A long time ago) that made me see something in a different light from how it was sold in the media/theoretical world, was the story of the Indianapolis Fear and scare mongering sells and sadly the truth is a lot more tame in reality..
Kiteboy, you find any refugees in your back yard I guess thats part of the question. Southace has real time experience and has explained that. It would be like me telling you how the refugee issue is on Christmas Island. I would think your experience would be more real time experience than mine would..So feel free to answer him
(It really isn't of any interest, other than the fact that you have challenged his credibility, but offered nothing in exchange. Thats all)
I don't need to beat my chest and proclaim how awesome I am, you guys are doing a good enough job for everyone.
Some of us would like to discuss the issue at hand and possibly explore all options, but if you two want to go on like broken records, perhaps you should get a room together and do it in private.
Select to expand quotekiterboy said..jbshack said..kiterboy said..
Would you kindly explain how you learned statistics?
Cheers
He does have a valid question Kiteboy. You talk the talk, so why not share your experience?
Me i have been sailing in the water since i was 1 week old. Surfed since i was 13 years old, worked almost directly with Fisheries, Water police and many commercial operators over the last 20 years. Have had a interest in sharks after reading the "Shark Attack Files" as a boy of 14. Have spoken with just about anyone who will talk to me regarding sharks, including victims, so called experts, both locally and internationally.
I have been very surprised at times as to some info given.
One of the big studies i did (A long time ago) that made me see something in a different light from how it was sold in the media/theoretical world, was the story of the Indianapolis Fear and scare mongering sells and sadly the truth is a lot more tame in reality..
Kiteboy, you find any refugees in your back yard I guess thats part of the question. Southace has real time experience and has explained that. It would be like me telling you how the refugee issue is on Christmas Island. I would think your experience would be more real time experience than mine would..So feel free to answer him
(It really isn't of any interest, other than the fact that you have challenged his credibility, but offered nothing in exchange. Thats all)
I don't need to beat my chest and proclaim how awesome I am, you guys are doing a good enough job for everyone.
Some of us would like to discuss the issue at hand and possibly explore all options, but if you two want to go on like broken records, perhaps you should get a room together and do it in private.
It was actually an opportunity for you to show SOME credibility..I can't even believe i asked
I can't believe you two haven't got the issue solved, surely with your combined experience it should be a non-issue already.
Select to expand quoteKneeling said..
I'm a sparky and fish for whiting if that helps
Whiting cull??
Well they are dangerous to prawns
Interesting...http://www.thesharkstopper.com/http://www.thesharkstopper.com/research.html
"To demonstrate the effectiveness of Sharkstopper???s repellent technology, the research team attached a big bloody tuna to the speaker that emitted the repellent sound. The tuna???s stayed intact for the duration of testing. Very few things can stop a Great White, so Sharkstopper was pleased with the results."
Select to expand quotesubasurf said..
Awesome, a seamanship dick measuring thread :)
Can we argue about who has a bigger boat now?
maybe they could post some sort of length measure from the edge of the monitor to settle the argument
like this.
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(illistration/ suggestion purposes only)
Select to expand quotemyusernam said...subasurf said..
Awesome, a seamanship dick measuring thread :)
Can we argue about who has a bigger boat now?
maybe they could post some sort of length measure from the edge of the monitor to settle the argument
like this.
........................................................................................................
(illistration/ suggestion purposes only)
Prior to reading this thread
.. ( size is actual not relative)
. ( current state, I wish they made smaller dots I don't want people to label me a liar
Select to expand quoteWA71 said...Ctngoodvibes said..
I am not attacking him am I? Although he was very good at doing that himself in the past. To the point where people got so pissed they created his own thread so he could talk to himself.
How about staying on topic? The thread is about sharks not suba. Maybe slander then, attack is much to harsh.
Pot calling kettle black!
WhSelect to expand quoteCtngoodvibes said..WA71 said...Ctngoodvibes said..
I am not attacking him am I? Although he was very good at doing that himself in the past. To the point where people got so pissed they created his own thread so he could talk to himself.
How about staying on topic? The thread is about sharks not suba. Maybe slander then, attack is much to harsh.
Pot calling kettle black!
What's the tread about exactly I have lost direction now? Kite boy you seem to have all the answers please answer our questions ? Get me Back on a coarse? Do I need to add variation or deviation? I'm lost now!
Select to expand quotesouthace said...
WhCtngoodvibes said..WA71 said...Ctngoodvibes said..
I am not attacking him am I? Although he was very good at doing that himself in the past. To the point where people got so pissed they created his own thread so he could talk to himself.
How about staying on topic? The thread is about sharks not suba. Maybe slander then, attack is much to harsh.
Pot calling kettle black!
What's the tread about exactly I have lost direction now? Kite boy you seem to have all the answers please answer our questions ? Get me Back on a coarse? Do I need to add variation or deviation? I'm lost now!
But you're the one proclaiming to have all the answers and only workable solution since the start.
Hope you don't navigate the same way you discuss things, you can't sook and belittle your way through a reef.
