Hi pattiecannon. I think you will find that as you gain more time on the water then the trim adjustment is will become less of an issue for you. You will find you can set it at the beginning of a session and leave it for the rest of the day, only adjusting it if the wind gets up or drops. You may be interested to know that Naish have gone back to a strap above the bar on there 2012 Tourch. I know you were talking about being hooked in all the time but if you start to try anything unhooked you will find there is a benefit to a uncluttered chicken loop, and this is why some freestyle kites have gone to the above the bar adjustment.
I think TurtleHunter was probably pointing out the BTB systems make the throw on the chickenloop shorter the more you depower. Of course, ABT systems are often limited in length so that you can reach the depower. Some will care, some won't, depends on the type of sailing you do.
Also BTB systems tend to have to fit two ropes and a safety through the bar which in my experience tends to wear faster than a single rope.
I'm still waiting for that perfect setup!
The amount you adjust your front lines has nothing to do with how long you have been kiting. If anything being a learner it's one thing that gets forgotten while riding.
To have your kite in the correct trim is very important, I adjust through most gusts and luls, most importantly getting trim right for unhooking.
People that go out with one setting all day should see them selfs kite, when a gust hits they are forced to lean over forward to get the bar out, which in turn changes your weight position on the board and makes the effect of the gust much worse as they are no longer hiking against the kite.
They will then lose alot of height upwind and will probably lose speed as they bring their kite up to lose some power.
Yer UTBD is difficult to reach on most bars but if you are proactive and are ready for the gusts /luls and know how much to adjust by you can make the most of the wind as it comes without loosing height.
I use the UTBD system from a cabrinha 2011, with a f-one bar and a custom line setup with a 2010 pro kit swivel chicken loop.
The cabrinha setup works so well with the spring setup that it doesn't restrict depower and the lines are still in reach.
For unhooking I want nothing in the way of my chicken loop, cause flying towards the beach unable to hook back in isnt fun.
I have also had the depower line on a BTBD wrap around the bar when unhooking, locking the bar to the chicken loop at full power.
Sorry for the massive post
If you don't unhook, the airush e below the bar cleat system with the trigger saftey is the cleanest, tidyest, simplest, most reliable depower / safety system I have seen.
Everthing else just looks over complicated and messy to me.
What's so special about the ozone? I've used a few different c4's and a zephyr and they were all just a rope and cleat above the bar. As far as I know all ozone bars 2011-12 are the same.
Although I have seen an ozone bar somewhere with multiple stopper balls on it.
Im keen for any new ideas to try.
Kitemare
trying to pull my btb rope out of the cleat when the wind had dropped, to give it full power, which just pulls the whole front of the kite down towards you!
so I used my other hand to hold against the tension and pulled upwards
So naturally i've grabbed the nice large hand shaped piece of plastic just above the bar
which (obviously) is the safety release which un hooks the chicken loop and releases my kite into the waves
Then I lost my board in the surf zone trying to swim in
drifted 400 m down wind till I got back to the beach
and while walking back up to find my board the wind momentarily dropped off, dumping my kite into the bushes - puncturing my leading edge!!!
I'm voting 1 for above the bar strap systems
Kiting 7 years, and still finding new ways to stuff things up!!
That is sad Daggy, not the kind of things you want to experience even after so much time in the water...and it is too the reason I prefer above the bar depower! I still ride a 9 and 7 Rev with the btbdp, but might start using other bars with them as the kites are still in great shape
The longer I kite the more a realise how little i know!! Things I once thought where **** are now on my must have list. Iv had a 2010 Ozone and Naish. Now ride 2012 Switchblades.
Love the switchblade ATBD and the swivel, but miss my Naish stopper and my ozone wind range. !!!
I find that most of the "Faults" i found with my kites ended up being faults with my technique instead. Now I'm slow to blame the gear and instead ask advise and than listen to more experienced riders.
A little respect for experience gets you a lot further than going off half cocked.
I ride all my new gear with the state of the art de-power alongside a bloke that rides a 5 year old Cabrinah with a 6 year old Naish bar that has lots of "adjustments" to make it fit.
He ****s all over me in avery way!! He rides better! He jumps better! He's way cooler than me! And he still has all his hair!!!
I hate him!
A lot!
^^^^ agree
If you find this messy or complicated ....... you are a "special" person
IMO it just doesnt get any simpler
For those who could be interested on it, I've posted on Griffin Kites Forum a DIY tutorial to change easily from a below the bar to an above the bar depower.
The description is based on a GRIFFIN standard below the bar depower system, but could be made the same way with small changes from any othe brand below the bar depower system.
Reverse way can be done maybe still easier.http://www.griffinkites.com.au/component/kunena/9-maintenance-tips/119-change-from-below-the-bar-to-above-the-bar-depower
some one mentioned the Zeeko bar earlier. it is a great system, it can be above the bar OR below the bar anytime you want and no loose ropes flying around when you depower(actually trim) the kite. best of both worlds and you can make one yourself for cheap.