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All 'board sport' banned in city beach for summer

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Created by Akwa > 9 months ago, 24 Oct 2012
Mark _australia
WA, 23735 posts
26 Oct 2012 1:55PM
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^^^ unfortunately I haven't been lately P.R but never had agro there previously.

Most of me seeing red and spouting off above was due to the first 8 or so posts here being p!sstakes and oneliners - so I hoped to spark some interest

At least my history lesson may make a few people angry enough to go to the council and complain, instead of dribbling **** about wanking, planking, gays, and what a 35 y/o board may look like.

Mark _australia
WA, 23735 posts
26 Oct 2012 2:07PM
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^^^^ well he IS just a 4ft version of Beyonce looking at that pic.

mmmm

shunter
WA, 441 posts
26 Oct 2012 2:36PM
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WAKSA said...
The frustration is there has been little or no collaboration with WAKSA


Why would there be?. There is already a ban for kiting in that area, this is an extension of that ban that now covers surfboards. Cott has banned surfing near the gryone over the summer months for years and its the same at City beach.

The surfers want to surf CBG early morning or late afternoon when there are limited swimmers in the water. Not often I ever seen a surfer give up a wave because a swimer is in the water...

I dont agree with the ban. All water users need to consider other users, wether it be kiters, surfers, ski paddlers or swimmers.

busterwa
3782 posts
26 Oct 2012 3:13PM
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The people who have sued the councils because of there own window licking incompetence are to blame.
Man sues council cause there was no signs saying the waves are dangerous.. ....

New fav word!

6. window licker 192 up, 179 down

it can mean many things:
1)someone who rides the big yellow bus to the happy camp.
2)a spaz
Nicola rides the big yellow bus to the happy camp because she is very special. She goes to the happy camp for lessions in window licking.
The window lickers on the short bus have faces pressed against the window with their tongues hanging out.

Andrash
WA, 637 posts
26 Oct 2012 6:37PM
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Not many things can justify the salary and the very existence of a council officer so well, as a well organized ban...
As for City Beach, kiters have been very respectful to the request of the ranger to keep away from that area for a temporary 8 month period last year. It was about "risk assessment". So I don't think kiters caused any problems this time.
To my limited knowledge of law it is un-constitutional for the council to exercise arbitrary power and ban activities without consulting the representatives of all parties. It's a shame that lawyers have no time to kite. Otherwise we may have a legal representative.
As of the fear of litigation: after the insurance crisis around 10 years ago it became much more difficult to sue the council for negligence. I am not sure if their fear is still justified.
It's obvious that we should improve our reputation and be super respectful to other beach goers (and perhaps to each other as well), but we do not need to blame ourselves automatically for everything.

Jonopark
WA, 400 posts
26 Oct 2012 6:44PM
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This has now been pulled and usual rules apply for the new year.

Also did you hear about the blind, deaf and mute guy that dove in the shallow waters of a public swimming pool becoming paraplegic?
He just won a 6.5 million dollar law suit against the council TODAY.
That is why they ban things, so Mark maybe gen Y arent so bad after all :) (by the way I am a little older (28) but have seen most of the younger guys at my local show upmost respect to other riders)

Andrash
WA, 637 posts
26 Oct 2012 6:57PM
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^^^ blind, deaf and mute... how did he get to the swimming pool... you must be joking... right?

Jonopark
WA, 400 posts
26 Oct 2012 7:06PM
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No joke (I couldnt make that up!)

Andrash
WA, 637 posts
26 Oct 2012 7:51PM
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...any reference?... article, caselaw...

Mark _australia
WA, 23735 posts
26 Oct 2012 9:27PM
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Jonopark said...
This has now been pulled and usual rules apply for the new year.

Also did you hear about the blind, deaf and mute guy that dove in the shallow waters of a public swimming pool becoming paraplegic?
He just won a 6.5 million dollar law suit against the council TODAY.
That is why they ban things, so Mark maybe gen Y arent so bad after all :) (by the way I am a little older (28) but have seen most of the younger guys at my local show upmost respect to other riders)


How many blind deaf mute kiters or surfers or windsurfers are there?

There is no parallel whatsoever and the councils need to know it.

But as I said the first 8 posts here taking the p!ss and talking sh!t instead of informed debate is just fiddling while Rome burns. Same as a few years back when informed responsible kiters warned of bans.

Andrash
WA, 637 posts
26 Oct 2012 10:12PM
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Thanks Moon Waxing... I hope they appeal to the High Court... the madness has to stop somewhere where people start taking responsibility for their action.... or else!!...
...well.. or else we get to a communistic state where only few things will be free to do, and those things will be compulsory...
... on the other hand, this case just shows a council blinded by fear yet not taking care of the obvious... and now fear can justify other council's unreasonable bans... not great....

Jonopark
WA, 400 posts
27 Oct 2012 12:03AM
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Mark there are no blind, deaf and mute kitesurfers that I know of. But this case that happened today simply shows what pressure councils are under and why silly rules are put in place. Sometimes there are individual kitesurfers/surfers/dirt bike riders/jet ski riders etc that cause the band, but a lot of the time it is situations OUT OF OUR CONTROL. Topic locked

doonut
WA, 265 posts
27 Oct 2012 1:44PM
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its a **** break anyways

Stuthepirate
SA, 3591 posts
27 Oct 2012 4:40PM
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How can a council be responsible for a deaf, blind and mute person diving into the shallow end. Where was his minder/carer. Would the council be responsible for injuries or death sustained at traffic light because the council failed to remove the intersection in case a disabled person walked through it?
Sure the council paid lifeguards should have pulled him up but as in any public pool, it is the responsibility of the parent or adult for that child's safety not the lifeguards. They're not a daycare.

Andrash
WA, 637 posts
27 Oct 2012 4:18PM
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Stuthepirate said...
How can a council be responsible for a deaf, blind and mute person diving into the shallow end. Where was his minder/carer. Would the council be responsible for injuries or death sustained at traffic light because the council failed to remove the intersection in case a disabled person walked through it?
Sure the council paid lifeguards should have pulled him up but as in any public pool, it is the responsibility of the parent or adult for that child's safety not the lifeguards. They're not a daycare.




I found, that law doesn't always follow reason, and doesn't necessarily provide justice. The case was probably between the disabled and the council, although the responsible person was likely the carer. But if noone sues the carer, they will get away with it and probably with the money the judge rewarded to the disabled.... hmmm I know this is getting a little too far from kitesurfing... ready for a bottom turn

sir ROWDY
WA, 5378 posts
27 Oct 2012 4:24PM
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Mark _australia said...
^^^^ well he IS just a 4ft version of Beyonce looking at that pic.

mmmm


I thought it was a young Tiger Woods, or actually a young Barry White, or a young Denzel Washi... ah they all look the same.

sl
13 posts
27 Oct 2012 5:22PM
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These are bad news. I am new to Perth and I kite north of city beach (after asking the life guard to make sure I could as there were no other kiters). So it means that we can no longer launch and kite here starting on the 1st of November, correct?

The owners of the beach are now the people who leave close to the beach (as far as I understood, the council is a local authority) - and it seems that these people are not the most liberal ones. Same thing applies in France with all small towns near the sea installing vertical bars to forbid the entrance of camper vans, although it is illegal according to French national law. Local justice is bad - it decreases freedom and tend to exclude people more than promoting fairness.

Note that Beauduc, one of the last "free place" on the seaside in North of France has been saved from a ban thanks to a group of people, including fellow lawers, which was really active against the local authority.

I think the argument people-being-bad-and-hence-the-ban is misleading, something deeper is going on (see massassuchets seaside for instance).

SL


BennyB12
QLD, 918 posts
27 Oct 2012 8:29PM
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Jonopark said...
Mark there are no blind, deaf and mute kitesurfers that I know of. But this case that happened today simply shows what pressure councils are under and why silly rules are put in place. Sometimes there are individual kitesurfers/surfers/dirt bike riders/jet ski riders etc that cause the band, but a lot of the time it is situations OUT OF OUR CONTROL. Topic locked


Is that how you lock a thread? I thought the mods had to do it. Topic locked...

Andrash
WA, 637 posts
28 Oct 2012 1:29PM
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Everyone has equal right to a public place (beach). Locals or the council do not own it. I found WAKSA to be way too soft in respecting and following the request of one single ranger to keep away from City Beach last year without any official ban by the council.
But now, seeing that we simply walk away from City Beach without any attempt of contest is kind of saddening. City Beach is not my personal playground any more, but I know that a lot of kiters use it as a starting point for their down-winders, and there are some rideable breaks there. Are you guys really that easy about just walk away without a fight? Where is the good old fighting spirit from WAKSA, that we saw at Mullaloo.....?

Toz
WA, 5 posts
29 Oct 2012 7:01AM
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Whoah! Crazy times! I'm overseas at the mo and was just checking out Seabreeze to see how the start of the season is going and was pretty spun out by this thread, WA is a crazy place and the number and scope of laws that we have is way out of hand.
Can the council make blanket rulings like that? there should definitely be some consultation. Maybe WAKSA could get in touch with members that live in City Beach and provide a draft letter for them to sign and send to the council to complain against the ruling. Theoretically we live in a democracy...
So does this cover the area north of the groyne or just between the groynes? That would really suck as that is te starting point for many a downwinder.



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