P platers are now required to do a written exam and log a certain amount of hours before they get there license (I'm almost certain of this??) while completing this log book of hours (before they go for the test) I'm sure there are certain conditions (peak hour, freeways, certain weather, certain speeds etc) that you would not introduce to the leaner until they are experienced. (unfortunately look what happened recently with the kid who had a license for 8 days driving a wrx on a very narrow (old) road. Now correct me if I'm wrong but if a kite is ejected here the public are at risk. Learners should be in side shore conditions with no objects down wind of them. The pond is a well known freestyle place hence my last post. Think about it guys. Accidents will still happen with experts but it is obvious more will occur with beginners.
I remember watching the guys when inwas learning at the pond and did not even think about entering that space.
Indeed there are many interesting ways to look at the situation, and partially I do agree in principal with WA66's comments.
Though out of the best interests for our hobbies/sports - learners should be banned from this spot - as you also have to take into account the Windsurfers,swimmers,family sandcastle builders and dog walkers use of the area and right to be able to participate in there chosen leisure activity without risk of being struck/inured or tangled up by a learner kiter..
If the area is for public use and a particular hobby for example, like Jetskiing was a threat to the public - the endangering hobby gets banned from the area..
If it becomes learner kiters - so too it will get banned for all kiters!
So maybe the various viewpoints might fear better concentrating on a bigger picture than ones currently seeing 
IMO
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When I grow up (if I grow up) I'm going to teach my kids to drive, in peak hour traffic. Learn to park the car, on Thursday night at late night shopping. Teach them to ride a bike, on a bmx track. Learn to swim, in waves. Learn to surf, at the box. Would you call me a bad parent???
Disclaimer. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I have never kited here on summer (or weekend) but when making an opinion or decision (reasonable) people should look at all factors available to them to make the best decision.
These are public places. Common sense tells me not to go to certain places (others are more suitable)as it is dangerous and getting in the way dog people due to lack of skill and repect of other peiple. I can tell you were the geeky little kids that
In Brisbane/Redcliffe we have beaches that all the instructors and shops use for lessons because there safe. Then we have others that more experienced guys kite at. If someone shows up at a beach and they clearly cant kite or control there kite they are told to move on or at least that they are not ready to kite there and why. If you dont control it from the start you will end up having no beaches left to use.
www.independent.ie/national-news/courts/kite-surfer-killed-in-rocks-horror-2230729.html
Experienced kiter...
Like the poor guy who had an accident at Palm Beach Rockingham a few years ago.
Then there was the one in France 1 year ago that went out in near gale force winds and got picked up and slammed against a pier, buildings etc.
All 'experienced'
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If on any given day the first kiters to arrive and get on the water are beginners, please tell me what what gives you the right to say i am better than you, get out off the water cause i am proficient you should not be here?
Nobody wanting to answer this? Very strange, simple question.
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If on any given day the first kiters to arrive and get on the water are beginners, please tell me what what gives you the right to say i am better than you, get out off the water cause i am proficient you should not be here?
Nobody wanting to answer this? Very strange, simple question.
if your a leaner and cant hold your ground, swooping your kite all over the place, cutting off countless "proficient" kiters only to end up on that tiny strip of beach where the windsurfers launch from with your kite flying over the footpath/trees/ light poles ect. would you say that they are doing the best thing for kiting at the pond?
say the kite then falls out the sky and hits someone walking along the foot path. what do you think would happen to our precious spot?
do you think someone driving, if they have L plates or not, swerving all over the road, cutting people off, getting in the way of the "proficient" drivers would be alowed on the road?
NO they will be picked up by the police and ordered off the road. the cops dont look at a L plater and say oh because his learning he can break the laws and endanger himself and everyone else sharing the roads with him
by all means if you can go up and back, hold your ground and keep your kite in one spot as you ride, try your luck in the pond, when i was at that level it was when i ventured in there. but to get on the board, learning to go up and back, just drive the extra minute to shoalwater
Select to expand quoteI see it all the time. If there is a beach full of guys/girls either learning or getting up but not holding there groung you see kites hitting the water, bodies flying through the air, people cutting each other off etc. We are lucky enough to have most learners using common sence to use the beaches suited to them but i would love to see what would happen if they went to a beach like the one in question. It could get nasty. We kite at beaches where you have 3 to 400m of beach with reef either end. Deep water and you have to launch and land between light poles and trees. There are virtually no problems there because the guys who kite there no there skill level. It does not take a lifetime to become proficient enough to kite in not so learner friendly places but if your going to mix up your expectations with your capabilities in this sport you will get hurt or hurt someone else. WA is a big place. There must be other beaches suited better for learning.WA66 said...
If on any given day the first kiters to arrive and get on the water are beginners, please tell me what what gives you the right to say i am better than you, get out off the water cause i am proficient you should not be here?
Nobody wanting to answer this? Very strange, simple question.
You say when you where learning you would watch the guys at the pond but wouldnt dare enter that space. Maby you could let them know where you did kite to get you up to your level now.???
puppetonastring you just don't get it.
I have never heard so much weak argument to try and justify a non justifiable point. You still did not answer my question, cause you can't, like everybody else.
You do not have a god given right to say it is there for you to use and not somebody else. Pure and simple. Beginner, competent or advanced.
How about someone gives the forum some genuine stats on all these dangerous beginners and the accidents they are causing and having across Perth kiting, particularly at the pond. Surely Today Tonight has run a story on it cause it must be happening in epidemic proportions.
Plenty of experienced kiters die around the world, not to mention severely injure themselves.
Offshore winds ? What are you on about? From the sandbar to shore. Gee it gets to a dizzy depth of about 1.8, through there on a high tide. That's over a distance of 500m. Wow, insane conditions, those crazy beginners, what are they thinking taking on such radical forces of mother nature.
Ignorance on here is rife.
It will be your downfall.
I suggest you all make the most of kiting the pond cause it will probably be your last summer there.
The Pond is a dangerous place to Kite with an onshore breeze, fullstop. For that fact alone I would recommend people wanting to learn and improve basic kite skills try a location with a sideshore wind. Plenty of locations for that.
that does not mean that Beginners need to be banned or that there needs to be a sign saying "You must be this good to kite this location"
Why don't we try assist and inform new kiters as to where safe locations are, I know I would've had trouble identifying all the dangers at each location without other peoples advice in my first few weeks kiting
Also if you are a new kiter, feel free to ask any kiter on the beach for info on that spot, someone probably helped them when they started out too.
Thank god I chose windsurfing over kiting, none of the gnarly localism/beginner/advanced carry on.
Thanks for all the entertainment though!
WA66, its not about one person saying someone else cant kite there. is just that it only takes one accident, one person of the general public to be injured for the whole kiting and windsurfing community to loose the spot.
as mentioned before, its a direct onshore spot. if anything happens your going to end up in a tree, the road, powerlines whatever.
and yes, everyone has accidents/ gear failure and the likes but there is no denying as a learner your more likely to accidently loop your kite trying to put your board on or something stupid like that. i know iv done it before when i was learning. but i was at shoalwater, in a cross on spot, with plenty of room for mistakes
WA66 your selfish I can go out and do what ever I like anywhere attitude is what defines the problem. You and your ilk are tools ****ing it up for everyone else.
People with more skill and time on the water deserve the good conditions. Beginners should go to a quieter part of the beach and put the time and effort in to become proficient for the safety of all.
But the me me me generation cannot spare the time to develop skills it really is a bit sad
WOK we need to get away more again. See you over Chrissy
I rarely kite the pond when I am in the area nowadays. I find it a Good place to avoid IMO. I got fed up of so called experienced kiter trying to do handle passes loops and other fancy tricks only to f@#k the trick up over and over and over again crash landing over and over again getting in the way. I guess they could be called beginers too, I know it takes time to perfect a trick but some people need to vary tricks they are learning and do ones they can land. Ok I dont live in the area, but from what I've seen when Ive been there, once the kids are out off school thats the time to go home. Good luck guys but I think you need to look at areas that have kiters banned. Thats whats gonna happen sooner or later. All kiters need to respect the areas they use and everyone that uses the area. That' s the kids with there sand bucket included. Respect could be agood name for a Kite maybe!
Good to see some common sense on here i.e. col303, D3, rickwindt subsonic
Exactly what i said many posts ago, education and talking to people is what it needs.
Band together, instead of fragmenting yourselves.
As for Hilly and his buddy Hunter S you don't know me and resort to juvenile generalisations.
By your reasoning all kiters should get out of the pond too, i have been sailing there for over 20 years and using the area for recreation for over 30 years, as many of my windsurfing peers have.
So when the kiters have my level of experience and intimate local knowledge of the area you can enter and use it.
That's fair isn't it?
Seems to me all these self confessed 'Advanced' kiters want the area for themselves cause it's so unique and try to justify that by harping on about the safety aspect.
Of course i accept safety is important, just as much as respecting any other user of the area.
if you get there on a good arvo and there are a lot of people out and many beginners, then i bet you don't go elsewhere, you lob straight in amongst them all and start blaming them for their levels of incompetence and getting in your way.
It's as much their area to use as it is mine windsurfing or a snorkellers, or a swimmer, or a fisherman...
Sooner you realise that the better.
That is my fundamental point you are missing, it's there for all to use irrespective of skill level or chosen pastime.
Flatwater bandits are funny.
The local hotrats high on the pecking order at the Pond can probably get away with bending the rules,
unlike the newcomers and greenhorns who find themselves lower down on the hierarchy scale.
For example, if a local hottie hacks into a megaloop, crashes hard and snaps a death-leash leading to a runaway kite,
he's rad.
But if a newbie fks-up and loses his kite,
he's a kook.
lol.
I'm not even from WA but i'll throw my 2c in on this one...
So is it responsible for a beginner to look at the most crowded spot and say "I'm kiting there!". WTF! The problem is that they do. They then kite in the crowd, barely in control. They don't lower/raise their kites while passing and cause accidents.
I'll say it! The experienced riders deserve the better spot. If they didn't most flat water spots would be 'learners only'. You learn, you progress, you get the respect you deserve. You need to earn it.
If deep water and waves freaks you out then you do not have the skills to be kiteboarder. You NEED to be able to swim. Sometimes a long way. Sometimes in heavy surf.
I am not into unhooked tricks.... i am not that young. BUT by god (and his children) I do love a little slice of flat water... top speed, edge, pop and fly!!! no chop you throw you off. Sweet as bro!
mike
it's as easy as that, if you have 20 people on the pond and everybody respects each others space there is plenty of room for everyone, insert 1 beginner trying to waterstart and he messes everything up, has a hard time himself and bothers other people when he could just jump across the sandbar or to pengoes and have the best learning conditions, heaps of space and everyone would be happy.
what pisses me off even more though is not the beginners it's the "advanced" riders that never get out the flat water and short tack everyone so that nobody gets space to do their thing that's even more annoying but this almost deserves another topic.
point is if you're a beginner and im talking about people just learning to waterstart (we saw more than a few this season already) why would you come to the pond when you have shoalwater just around the corner that is seriously the best beginner spot, never crowded, no breaking waves, sideshore wind and heaps of room for everyone. you wanna learn in flat shallow water cause you're afraid of deep water? i recommend you buy a lifejacket then. still dont like it? how about you change sport then?
The short tackers and learners are prob scared of Wa sharks why else would u risk being dragged through the windsurfers zone road then over a truck then through the power lines. The other side of the bar was great for learning loved it. Thanks there is no wind else there would just be even more maim.good idea if rock bans kiting it's the only good thing here
