I have LF Proof 141 and 151cm boards. They are a very simple and similar board to my previously beloved LF Drop 136.
I have really saved my 151 for a lighter wind option but have been using it in all but absolutely nuking conditions lately and it is (belatedly) becoming my favourite for waves.
A bit heavy (both 141 + 151 about the same weight) compared to seriously techy light (and fragile) boards out there, but good flex (151 has better flex - not as stiff as 141).
The 151 has better planing for riding wave faces and with rounded surf rails goes schweet on the waves. Super nice fanging through chop and even tho it's 151cm, there are no dramas holding an edge in strong winds.
Just wish i had an extra pair of older LF 'Profile' straps. They are the absolute shizzle and the newer 'Deluxe' straps are no where near as good.
Price on Proofs is great too as they are deemed a low tech learner board (only when a learner is on it tho 
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I am 84kgs BTW.
I did try other 'surf' oriented boards some time ago and walked away puzzled how all the tech blurb and nearly twice the $$$ could produce boards inferior (IMO) to the LF Proof.
Simple (like me - duh) is best.
Try one, the extra weight makes feck all diff on the water and the outline/rocker/rails/single concave are perfect for Perf metro surf.
Tuff as bejesus too.
EDIT: Some may like bigger fins as per other posts on this thread. Each to their own. I used to trick ski (no fins) so don't mind if the tail breaks out athings drift/slide a bit on a forehand turn occasionally. In fact i love it! Makes for fun. Standard surf fins have good grip though. Big buckets no wkn fuggets! 
My older model below. Same in every way to newer but diff graphics
another jimmy lewiss mutant fan here,yes it goes both ways very good,but surfs down the line excellent they are very hard to come by tho and fins are expensive to replace.I have f-one fins in mine at the moment an it is a lot more slippery than the JL surf fins,anyone know if you can put some bigger fins in theses so I can lay in to the bottom turns harder.
That shinn board looks like it might be fun,love to try one.
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Hello friends,
I would like to add my opinions:
The post say "Twin Tip" not directional, mutant etc...
Back in the days before Surfboard and even before Mutant most of the guys here use to ride the Underground Wavetray... They had the flips at the extremity kind of like the Hammer.
We use to put a bit longer fins "5 cm" instead of the regular 3,5 cm that they came with and we were very happy with them.
Maybe you can still find them around, we are talking of boards from 2003..
Bye Jankie
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Hey Jankie why are you wearing your Pyjamas in that photo?Did the wind come on early?
Regards
Lach
I too am interested in a TT or a mutant for the waves.
There's two main reasons:
1. I get a little tired of riding toeside and/or swapping feet to jam back upwind.
2. The main reason is I can't do big toeside boosts (I'm very strong on toeside and I can do glides and speed hops and stuff, just not big boosts).
Sometimes I would prefer hit those ramps on the way out and go into orbit rather than glide over them or carve a turn.
I also get sick of taking 4 kite boards away on weekend trips down the coast (small TT, big TT, kite surfboard, strapless surfboard)
Add to that there's a lot of people who like to ride in waves but are not very good at toeside. You'd think with the activity on this thread that there is a global demand for a surf-oriented TT. Most of the suggested boards in this thread are antiques.
We want a TT/mutant/surf/boosting machine!!!!!!
What!!!! those are my shorty's....
Look is pretty easy!!
Best board for surfing with a kite are Surfboard.... You feel like you are really riding the waves and don't have to use always the power of the kite.
Second best are Mutant but you need to be very well powered UP at all time as the board will not carry speed on his own on the face of the waves.
Still with a Mutant you can go into super radical carving, more then any Surfboard aloud you...
Third best are Twin Tip, due to feet positioning and fins configuration.
To put longer fins on the side you normally ride the waves helps..
That is how we all started here.. First TT, then Mutant and finally Surf Board..
I haven't seen a new True TT that is build especially for waves...
The Hammer was the last one I think..
Hammer as someone wrote here need allot of power. I feel the the old Wavetray was doing a better job. As the flip are 3 cm each side you always need to go for 6 cm bigger then you really want. EX. the 137 was really 131cm.
When I travel abroad and I'm not sure where I'm going to ride a bring just a Twin Tip for practical. Last year in OZ I showed up at Margaret with my TT and everyone looked at me like I was crazy!!
New TT are ok in waves but are not designed with just that in mind!
Better to go for some oldies that still has IT.
Some of the old Naish Mutant were good and the UG Firebird mutant were unmatched..
Bye Jankie
The Mako carve really nice but is not a wave board!
The concave is so deep and with just 1 middle fins changes of directions on a face of the wave are not that great specially if you loose a bit of planning.
My "opinion".
They made the Mako King that can change set up and be more like a mutant.
Did not try it..
ONE more.. Skim are also quite fun in small waves.. But really difficult to use.
Bye Jankie
Here are some old photo of my friend Alain charging waves Mutant style..
I still think that he was more radical back then that now on a Surfboard...
Select to expand quotekitesurfbali said...
The Mako carve really nice but is not a wave board!
The concave is so deep and with just 1 middle fins changes of directions on a face of the wave are not that great specially if you loose a bit of planning.
So you have ridden the Mako I presume. 140,150 or King? So you found when you changed direction on a wave you would lose grip due to one fin?? Is that what you mean? Or you can't snap it back and it is really for long smooth carving?
Appreciate your summary. I would presume you get some great waves and well formed in Indo. In Perth/mandurah we mainly get onshore slop with an occasional decent wave day. This is why i believe a TT / mutant is far more ideal here unless you head up north to say Lancelin, Gnarloo. (and other breaks I won't mention). Otherwise you are just mainly banging through chop, with the occasional short onshore wave.
Not asking for a TT that rides like a SB - impossible, just one that gets close as possible. I wouldn't waste awesome waves in indo, I would take a SB for sure.
Twin tips in small sloshy surf are good fun and beat a surf board any day.
The problem with the twin tip is it gets too fast on bigger waves, which means you do one massive slash on the face, and come out of that a hundred miles an hour trying to push the board back around for the next one.
What you need is a twin tip board with a fair amount of rocker and small fins, you can then make it break out and slide in the bottom turns to face your next object of destruction.
Persist with that surfboard for the decent waves.
Also the Twinny will keep you on edge and keep your riding style more versatile.
Surprised nobody's suggested a cab custom with larger fins yet. They have the smooth curvy outline (not quite as much as SX or hammer though) and constant rocker that makes them great for carving. They have three insert spacings so you could get a larger one (140-144) and have one foot closest to the tail and the other closest to the centre.
I rode the Mako 140 and I think also the 150 but don't remember!
Yes exactly it makes nice smooth carves but on the rail to rail doesn't track very well.
I agree that if there are no real waves a Mutant or a TT could be more fun.
Even in Bali I have 2 different boards depending where I kite. For the west coast where waves are nice and wind side shore I use a Surf Style board.
On the east coast where waves are on shore and choppy I use a UG Frewave or a TT.
Bye Jankie
For my 2c my 151 x 43cm doesn't feel too big in mushy surf at all.
Maybe the 1st few times I rode it it felt bigger than my 141 (no sh!t Sherlock) - but still not too big at all for flicking from toe-heel-toe on wave faces.
Remember surfboards are heaps bigger - so if you want a board that is gonna plane between sections and not need 100% kite power, don't shut out options over 140cm.
Been riding my 151 a lot more than my 141 lately and my wave riding is improving every sesh. I have the bruises (from my harness straps digging in on front and backside churns)to prove it! 
Makes for BIG boosties too as planing speed (when I allow it to flatten out on the run up to a wedge) is unreal. Only downside is a flat landing can be a bit hard due to large surface area. Small price to pay tho.
