I have also tried to work with companies to make a bar legit, with ends similar to a wake handle. But everytime it comes back to people really want end winders... Which is so ****ing retarded because they are totally useless. It's like the wankers you see driving around in a honda civic with a huge spoiler...
For the record my kite is a 2011 Nomad.
I'd say all bars that I've seen have some sort of knuckle or groove design for the lines to locate when wound on to the bar. This line winding aid can contribute to the leash getting tangled.
I thought about a minimal bar end design with radius ends and no feature for winding lines on but I'm convinced it could and would still get tangled.
Footnote : I've just bought a Dyson Vacuum cleaner, every aspect of the design seems well thought through. Maybe kite manufacturers could get Mr Dyson to help them design control bars.
Yeah, don't think I have seen a post where the brand was so tenderly praised and reassured before a bit of constructive criticism, bit like a toddler!!
**** ... big up and see the big picture.
This brand was mentioned because it happened to us on your kit, does not mean it's exclusive to you, but does mean that it is an issue for you. Jesus maybe we should have taken it up with Microsoft instead.
THIS SEEMS TO BE A GENERAL DESIGN ISSUE THAT IS USED BY MOST BRANDS, but it may well need improving (suicide leash and QR location on harness)
Sort it and we will buy it...whoever.
raaaaaage
sat night after 12pm
i have personally never heard of anyone getting injured from this but it has the potential to. no company atm is goin to change bar designs for a rare few who are actually at a level where this becomes a problem. prob best go change it urself and deal with the consequences if u don't.
sure gives u the motivation to make the pass
plus there are other ways to wrap up your lines that are just as quick once u change the bar end. i only got as far as cutting the bar down which proves just how much i care about the problem and it happens to me more than anyone else. u could say that i have perfected the backwards kitelooping drag.
on a serious note u should not be kiting that close to downwind obstacles when trying these sort of tricks cause there are heaps of other things that can go wrong that can lead to similar consequences.
^^ this is correct.
KP you're still just reading what you want to read and not thinking about it practically. It's hard for me to sit here and describe what i am trying to show you without having a bar in my hand to demonstrate how and why i think what i think. I am simply going off my experiences and drawing my conclusions based on them.
once again never said it never happens with anyone else just mentioning i've seen it more on one certain bar.
once again never wrote the brand off saying it's **** or anything of the sort, like i've said in many posts all over the joint i really like ozone kites and think they are great, this was always just one issue i've had with it. In my books an issue with bar design is pretty minimalistic compared to issues other brands have.
Maybe I'm missing something here,
But why not just use a below the bar safety system (flagging line goes through the bar), with a very short leash?
One of my kites has this, and it seems to work quite well.
What about manufacturers adding a quick release system to the HARNESS at the front?
In this case when you can't release as in this incident, you could pull a cord/turn a mechanism etc, or whatever near the spreader bar and release the whole harness from your waist preventing your demise this would be a valued addition to the systems already in place.
Just a thought.
Great to get the point out and chucked around. Thxs SHAN
As the bulk of the points above indicate - for any safety issue focus on the things you have control over. The bar design and the leash length / stiffness / padding, the looping speed of the kite.. etc are variables but not fool proof.
If you can't reach the release just that once U might need it... then remove the risk.
The simple solution is to get a release in the system which is always in reach. So as per above get a harness with it built in.
I am happy that my kid's first harness (LF) as mentioned has a quick release built in to the handle pass loop. When I first saw it I thought 'WTF' (I am a trick-less duck foot) but put the harness on and fiddled a bit and decided -ok likely a good idea.
My 2 yr old ION harness doesn't but the only handle pass I do (and am ever likely to
) is emptying kit out the boot of the car.
The leash - that's directly on the harness - now as long as I do not damage my right arm - I should be able to get that.
Play smart - to play safe.
AP
The griffin bars have the same end caps as the ozone bars and in the past i have also experienced the kite going into an uncontrolable loop scenario,as the leash in the past had got jammed between the end of the bar and the float,griff have now put a stopper ball on top of the float with a ring that forces the float hard down onto the bar end so there is no gap at all ,so if the leash whips over the float it just slides off,since using these new bars for the last 12 months have never seen or heard of the problem arising,would be an easy addition to any bar,can post a pic if anyone wants to see it.
Of course, it would be a pleasure to expirement with your invention and in fact as prince Tumbu of Ghanna, I would like to contribute $25 000 000 towards the refining of your great product.
Could you please let me know your full name and bank details and I will promptly make arrangements to forward the payment.
