get a grip, love your riding but dude, this is just the start !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'M NOT ONE TO OFFEND, attention kiteboarders, wtf......................
Who is this person that is pushing so hard to get us banned what are their real intentions, why they are so eager to get a healthy beach activity that promotes Perth
internationally through Kite surfing videos and the media when overseas professionals visit our shores. Where is the democracy in getting management plans put in place
that takes away the right for individuals to enjoy the beach where they live.
The other issue I have is unless you happened to be reading this post how are all the people that this affects able to have a say in what happens……..
Might as well send out a letter to all the rate payers in the area saying “by the way yesterday we decided that you are no longer allowed to use your beach which your taxes contribute towards
maintaining…..and we did not bother to include you in this as we know in the past some very constructive solutions can be put in place to keep everyone happy so we have decided to just ban
it as this is way too democratic....we hope we will continue to have your support in helping us carry out doing whatever we like………
Shame on you.......
Someone needs to befriend a constitutional lawyer.
Council bylaws (such as what is happening to you guys) are flimsy at best. Policing them is a nightmare.
Now is the time for people power! Make a noise and protect your access to the ocean.
Councils do not control the sea... she is our mistress.
What happens below high tide mark is out of their jurisdiction.
I'm sure there are current affair type tv shows that would be interested in this story?
Minority control of government is a hot topic, as is regulations that discriminate against equal access to public amenities.
What about a demonstration? Get as many kiters as possible at the beach kiting at the same time? May give the local wet blankets some perspective of how many kiters actually kite there on a normal day.
Protest I say. Lethargy and apathy will only assist the grey haired party poopers to win.
Hey - a little OT but inmo
All Parties involved in the future direction of our sport and its users/supporters - should be targeting our best spots for exclusive use of kite/windsurf only areas (yes we need Poleys too !)
Instead of waiting to get kicked from these spots !! get in before the wingeing farkers ark up !!
support it with local marketing & tourism outlooks...as councils love the money shots
Kiteboarding shop owners would need to pull out their six shooters and pitch in together - or it will shoot you in the sales foot
Or have I naievely missed whats really happening here
The only hope now it seems is a massive show of people at this meeting to give the council a clear signal of the amounts of people this is affecting/will effect.
Politics on all levels is a numbers game. I would say the majority of councillors could not care less about kiting,certainly not enough to ban them off their own bat. They are being led by what they perceive to be the majority.This is clearly our last chance to set them straight.
Kiters all over Perth should come up and show support. This will be the thin end of the wedge and when the Stirling/Fremantle/Melville councils are coerced into looking at the "problem" of kitesurfing by the vocal local blue rinse brigade they will look for the easy solution. That means looking for a precedent. This ban will be that precedent. They wont have to spend a cent on "research"" they will just trust that Joodalup did due dilligence and adopt their methods.
This is'nt a time to lay low and think my spot's sweet. The guys that use the empty beaches at Mullaloo will be coming to your local. The Blue rinse whingers will follow then the complaints , then the bans.
Hi Guys,
As things have now become desperate, I have made a call to Dr Mal Washers office for assistance. Joondalup residents will recall last years Calendar from the good doctor and the March pages which featured Kitesurfing.
Unfortunately Dr Washer is in meetings all week but his assistant is getting onto the case and will have a look to see what can be done, it seems they are on our side and so we are getting some help from those we elected. They now have a chance to prove to us that we elected our federal representatives for the right reasons.
We need to call in big favours, if you have contacts in any area which may assist, now is the time to call.
DM
I'll let you know as to the outcome of my calls.
Unfortunately numbers alone will not send a message at this meeting. When you attend these you will see that everything is scripted. No one knows if you are there in support or opposition or if you are there because your neighbours cubby house looks over your fence. To be able to talk at this you must pre submit an application which states exactly what you will be talking about, this application is sent to all the councillors and the "technical experts" so that the reply that is given is pre determined (as much as they try to seem like they are answering off the cuff). You can submit a question form at the meeting, though there are restrictions on what the question can refer to and are quite often rejected. (too hard basket)
The only other way to have your say now is to email the CEO of the city, all correspondence to the CEO will be passed on to the relevant person/body, reviewed by them and the CEO, and MUST be responded to. The CEO is the one that will be submitting the management plan to the state for approval, after the councillors decide what options will be included, so bombard him.
And if you think that we can hold it up when it goes to the state then you are wrong as there are no third party appeal rights in Australia.
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I have spoken to a representative at the City and was informed that Option 2 was introduced following the consultation period at a stakeholder meeting held by the mayor. Therefore this option was never presented to those who completed the survey and if you had agreed to exclusion zones you have now agree not only to the exclusion zones that were listed in the draft for consultation but also agree to the one added after the fact. Criminal! The Mayor should be hung!
This has all come about from the squeaky wheel at Mullaloo Beach and it looks like it will get some greasing. I say become a squeaky wheel in the ear of the CEO, email away regardless if you can or cannot make the briefing session.
A group of people at an organised briefing is manageable, but a hundred emails a day that must be responded to is a right pain in the arse, probably worth greasing 
No expert, just my 2 cents.
Emails sent to [email protected] (CEO) and cc'd to Mayor and the ward councillors.
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Dear Mr Hunt,
I would like to express my strong dissapointment at the way the City of Joondalup has conducted itself in regard to its proposed Beach Management Plan.
I have reviewed the agenda for the September Council meeting and note that the recommendation for management of Kite Surfing activities is Option 2 'Only exclusion zones are established which apply over the entire length of Mullaloo and North Mullaloo Beaches and Sorrento Beach from the Marina'.
Putting aside the proposed exclusion zone adjacent to the Sorrento Surf Life Saving Club, which has remained consistent, the exclusion of kitesurfing to the entire length of Mullaloo and North Mullaloo beaches is contrary to information that has previously been provided to the public during the consultation process for the proposed Beach Management Plan. Members of the public were asked to comment on a proposed exclusion zone 475m north and south of Mullaloo Surf Lifesaving Club only, and have had no opportunity to comment on the significantly increased exclusion zone now recommended by the City.
The decision making process that the City of Joondalup intends to employ in relation to this matter is of serious concern. The Council will be making a decision on the management of kite surfing activities, which includes being guided on a recommending report prepared by the City of Joondalup that purports to take into account responses to the public consultation process. However, the recommended 'Option 2' has not previously been made available for public comment. Accordingly, the City of Joondalup has erred in its administrative processes, and a complaint to the State Ombudsmen is forthcoming.
Further highlighting the innaproriate administrative procress that has been conducted to date, the Frequently Asked Questions document about the proposed Beach Management Plan that is currently available on the City of Joondalup website refers only to the originally proposed exclusion zones, and in combination with the information made available during the public consultation process, is significantly misleading.
The only way I, as a member of the public and Joondalup resident, was able to clarify the extent of the exclusion zone within 'Option 2' was to phone the City of Joondalup and speak to an employee. This employee advised that the recommendation and increased exclusion zone is the result of a "stakeholder meeting that occured after the public consultation was finalised". I would therefore like to know who the stakeholders were that attended this meeting and why the City of Joondalup has deemed it uneccessary for the public to be able to comment on the revised exclusion zone when it is this zone that is the subject of a recommendation to Council?
I will further add that the increase to the exclusion zone proposed by 'Option 2' is grossly innapropriate and the recommending report prepared by the City of Joondalup does not appropriately consider the extreme popularity of kite surfing as a sport, or the rate at which this popularity is currently increasing, in order to 'future proof' the Beach Management Plan to any degree.
I acknowledge the sport of kite surfing requires management in terms of appropriate interaction with other beach users. However, confining kite surfing to small, already congested areas, by increasing the exclusion zone as per 'Option 2' has serious safety implications for kite surfers, and is not reflective of a holistic approach that the City needs to adopt, which gives adequate consideration to all beach users.
I await your response.
Get on the phones to all your kitesurfing mates aswell and get them down there.
Not everybody who kitesurfs reads the forums.
Make as many people as you can aware of whats about to happen!!!
Numbers and noise is what democracy is all about.
Get to the meeting and voice your objections.
If there has been some altering of any council proposals after public consultations then an injunction can be served and the ombudsman should be consulted.
Get on the net and research the laws governing local councils in your state. Informed protesters are the bane of elected council officials who usually are as uninformed as their constituents.
It's not too late wind brothers! Get off your arses and get there. These restrictions are contagious and other councils are closely watching the results.
Concerned kiters of the world, well at least Mullaloo/Joondalup…
Everyone is passionate about this sport (and rightly so!!). We are all trying to keep Mullaloo beach open and many of the comments on this site have indicated various responses to the Council’s recommendation(s). WAKSA will obviously not be supporting ‘Option 2’ – complete bans @ Mullaloo.
For those of you planning to attend the briefing session tomorrow night and are planning to speak as a ‘deputation’ - we need to be singing the same song so that the Council hears a consistent message.
I would encourage those of you who are being deputized to speak at the briefing session to email me directly so I can bring you up to speed with the case WAKSA is going to put to the council and the reasons behind it. Email me directly please - presidentATwaksa.org.au and I will do reply (in bulk) to everyone.
Regards
Justin O’Malley
President
WAKSA
good work yoshee,
i emailed cr trona young but realised that Mr Hunt the CEO is on the beach management committee.
I'm not too sure what side he is on though? He may have already made his mind up, but this needs to be rectified.
For such a big issue there doesn't seem to be many people stating their support here.
I just want to help make the call out to get all you guys to act.
I'm not a resident of Joondalup but I've sent my email and hope everyone is emailing the relevant people on the council, if I wasn't heading overseas tomorrow I'd be down at the meetings showing my support as well.
I wish there was more I could do.
Come on guys, let do this right and stop this ridiculousness from happening.
As far as Yoshee said about turning up to the meeting not necessarily being effective as far as the councilors not knowing why you're there, maybe all the kitesurfers could take a board or some other kiting symbol with them; surely that'd give a good visual indication to the members as to who's in support of kiting?
Dont worry, many kiters showed up at the first Joodalup meeting when councillor Macdonald tried to sneak a by-law through, it was clear who we were, so make the effort to get there.
The only thing that counts are the number of people rising against this injustice.
i dont think its fair because i have have friends who kite regularly at mullaloo as i do. we all live in the joondalup area and mullaloo is the only place we can go on our own and by getting rid of kiting at mullaloo will be not only ruining it for the adults but also the kids who kite.
Stop publishing the poor CEO's email on this forum!!
He'll get spammed so bad now.
Legitimate emails are ok but don't set the poor bugger up for trolling programs.
Well I've sent my emails to all those folks, what it does who knows? , But I"ll be there tomorrow night, this is such Bullsh1t how can you outlaw a sport???
@ Dave it's not spam we are fighting for our sport and local rights here mate!!!
keep in mind, I emailed the CEO from a stand point that the administrative practices displayed may have breached policy.
The CEO oversees the staff and committee members who make the recommendations to the councillors, the councillors are just ordinary people who are not technical experts on much and usually follow the recommendations of the City, once the councillors vote for the option, the City (CEO) then forwards it to the State for approval.
If they have not followed policy in the introduction of Option 2 and the Ombudsman rules against them this will be very concerning to the City and the councillors, it could result in a vote of no confidence at worst and no doubt a lot of media attention. Hence the promise to contact the ombudsman will hopefully shake them up and ensure that all the "i's" have been dotted and the "t's" crossed absolutely perfectly.
Hi Guys and girls,
At tomorrows meeting it looks like it will be pretty "full on" and in speaking with council and others today, the councillors have been reading this thread with keen interest and know what to expect.
I suggest strongly on advice by one of the councilors I spoke with today that when we are in council premises that we all behave with the utmost decency and respond courteously, politely and leave the emotion out of it.
If you are speaking, speak clearly, sensibly, state reasons for your viewpoint and possible alternative suggestions for the councillors to chew over.
We will have good numbers I hope, and a raucous crowd will not get us far. They will know who we are as they did on the first meeting. We conducted ourselves well then, and had a small victory, and so we need to continue this same conduct.
Councillors are under the impression that we the kiteboarders favour the Option 2 as a result of a bit of a setup at the last "informal" meeting. They just need to know we oppose any bans and prefer exclusion zones.
The beach is there for ALL citizens to enjoy, it is PUBLIC PROPERTY and outright banning is not the answer, it creates even more issues. Lets put the thinking caps on and consider some good alternatives for the councillors to think about in the week before the next council meeting.
DM
I completely agree with Darren in respect to behaviour at the meeting tomorrow. Throughout this process the kitesurfing community has provided rational, well thoughout arguments and have always behaved in an appropriate manner (well maybe except the cheers in the council chambers when the major ripped into Clr McDonald last year). Lets ensure this continues tomorrow and at the council meeting next week. We do not want to add fuel to the fire of the people who want us banned by coming across as out of control hooligans.
This fight is far from over!
I don't quite understand how the councillors can think that we are in support of option 2, given the listed 'con' which states "This option is unlikley to be accepted by kitesurfers who attend Mullaloo Beach, due to the popularity of the area for kitesurfing activities."
I for one feel that the issue of very few people being on the beach in 18-25knts is one which has not been stressed hard enough. How can it by a 'highly conflicting activity' when the majority of beach users in these winds are kitesurfers.
I shall be speaking on behalf of Mullaloo Kiters User Group at tomorrows meeting. We need to ALL present rational arguments which demonstrate an ability to compromise, but obviously not to the extent of complete bans.
Dave
For something of this magnitude, I am surprised that the topic doesn't have more feed back from this forum community? if something like this actually was ratified do you guys understand the ramifications for this to be a bench mark in any local council of Australia considering kite surfing as a acceptable activity at any popular beach anywhere, not just here.
Rules on top of rules until your kiting in stuffy little designated zones, where your personal FREEDOM to enjoy your chosen sport on any break that catches your eye is gone.
Every Kiter/ Windsurfer in Australia should feel some solidarity on this subject.
The voice of many outweigh the voice of the few.
I'm blown away that they are even proposing recommending this when the public didn't vote that way!!
Taken from http://www.dfat.gov.au/facts/democratic_rights_freedoms.html
Whoever it was that posted those photos should bring them along. It is important that the council understands that when it's blowing 20 knots sand is stinging your legs and if you're lying down your eyes will be filling with sand.
A lot of people don't even know what windsurfing and kitesurfing are because they are playing computer games and eating nachos because 'it's horrible outside'
One thing also worth stressing is that kiters are not the same crowd as for example dirtbike riders. I have met people aged 12-65 engineers, doctors, lawyers, it guys, chefs, teachers, builders, electricians, investment bankers, sailors, - men women children etc
