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State Government wants to licence kiters

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Created by J inthe bool > 9 months ago, 31 Jul 2009
KIT33R
NSW, 1716 posts
3 Aug 2009 9:25AM
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deja vu

Back in the 60's surfboards in Sydney were required to to carry a registration sticker. If you didn't have the sticker on your board it was confiscated by the local surf club.

This had several immediate consequences.

1. The surf club guys, who were given the task of checking for registration instead of saving lives were immediately put off side by the surfers and many fights broke out as the clubbies tried to confiscate boards.
2. As soon as surfers saw the clubbies walking the beach everone hit the water thus avoiding the confiscation.
3. A few people bought the sticker, most didn't. It was a very expensive useless exercise for councils and soon abandoned.

All that was achieved was creating a rift between the surf clubs and the surfers which still exists to this day.

exarch
50 posts
3 Aug 2009 11:14AM
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<rant>
@Robe --> first things first you cannot agree 100% AND USE THE WORD BUT!
it simply implies you don't know how to structure your opinioins.
</rant>

a licence will be the stail point for everyone interested in potentially joining the sport. you don't need a licence to swim therefore we have people using the beach.

you don't need a licence to go bush walking therefore we have people treaking all over the place

you don't need a licence to skate board therefore we have people skate boarding

you don't need a licence to snow ski or snow board therefore we have people anjoying the snowfields

as soon as you regulate the entry into an activity the broader community (these are your potential nubies) will become disinterested!

you --> kite surfing is awesome!
nubie --> how do i start?
you --> here take this test you need a licence then once you have passed that go and get some lessons, then you might consider a rig oh and you have to renew your licence also.
nubie --> to hell with that i'm taking up extreme knitting!

would any of you have started kite surfing two years ago if you had to get your licence before you started?

and one final note having a licence does not remove the idiot capacity of some people --> we need a car licence however --> www.theage.com.au/national/hoon-loses-ute-after-doubling-speed-limit-20090803-e68l.html

so i think we can lay that argument to rest.

ericmb
SA, 77 posts
3 Aug 2009 1:56PM
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Here are my two pennies worth, not worth a lot, you ve been warned.

I have lived here for 18 months, I love it. I love the fact that I can just go to the beach and kitesurf, no questions asked. Its like that in most countries though, its "industry standard" if you get my drift.

Then comes this ridiculous tax proposal which, whilst we might need regulating (get guys with no lessons off the beaches), we dont need another level of nanny state intrusion: the right to free fun.
What is happening on a broader scale is that we are being conditioned into being micro managed, thats another matter.

I say WE cause Im not quitting Austr. nor kitesurfing.

As opposed to most politicians down under I will actually do more than whinge like a whingy little moody teenager drama queen dressed up in a cheap suit: I will come up with a suggestion, try to solve the problem.

I suggest that taking an introduction security class to kitesurfing (security, respect of others etc.) is mandatory and provided by the AKSA. This will be funded
by the joining fee to the AKSA. Hike it up a bit, I dont care.

In doing the above WE the kitesurf community get the money, not the fxxxkin govt. for starters. Doing this safety class gets one membership to the AKSA, or its local branch > the AKSA will grow > become more powerful (will work in our favor) and new kiters get some education to the hazards of kitesurfing.

Cheers,
Eric

waveslave
WA, 4263 posts
3 Aug 2009 12:32PM
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WAKSA/AKSA want licences to happen.
That's one of their main objectives.
It's on their wish list.

RayQ
WA, 638 posts
3 Aug 2009 12:43PM
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waveslave said...

WAKSA/AKSA want licences to happen.
That's one of their main objectives.
It's on their wish list.


Well once again you are wrong, dont know where you get your information from, its more like what YOU would like to happen, so YOU could then realy sh!t stir.

Charl dv
WA, 2485 posts
3 Aug 2009 1:42PM
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ye lets all jump on the "might as well get on board" train.. but while you do that make sure you drop your coat and touch your toes, because mr government is gona show you where the wild goose goes


if its road rules thats the issue then schools should be adressed. at AKS we always teach the right give way rules etc n we have little issue in our area with that problem.

lol what happens when you dont have a licence? they going to impound your gear and charge you a towing fee?

this is a joke. i cant see hwo this will work, and once its in place whats going to stop them from next making you register your gear, then charge you rego fees licence fees etc.

waveslave
WA, 4263 posts
3 Aug 2009 2:51PM
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RayQ said...

waveslave said...

WAKSA/AKSA want licences to happen.
That's one of their main objectives.
It's on their wish list.


Well once again you are wrong, dont know where you get your information from, its more like what YOU would like to happen, so YOU could then realy sh!t stir.




Ray,
I read it on this forum last year. ^^^
I read it on Seabreeze.
WAKSA stated that it would support regulation of kitesurfing thru a licencing program.
A certain well known kite-dragging school identity put his hand up to be chief examiner.
Remember ?
Ray, please don't make me do a search.
Has WAKSA done a back-flip on this agenda now ?

Baz
NSW, 205 posts
3 Aug 2009 6:23PM
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So now is the time for AKSA to reply!

RayQ
WA, 638 posts
3 Aug 2009 5:47PM
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Quote
I read it on this forum last year. ^^^
I read it on Seabreeze.
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See theres your first mistake, I wouldnt take the forums too seriously. a quote from SEABREEZE means not too much at all.

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WAKSA stated that it would support regulation of kitesurfing thru a licencing program.
A certain well known kite-dragging school identity put his hand up to be chief examiner.
Remember ?
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WAKSA is to my knowledge independent of any schools, shops, or any other people like yourself proclaiming to be spokesmen of the free kitesurferers brigade.

You should rather get on the WAKSA website, and find that one of WAKSAs key endevours is to keep Perth beaches open to kitesurfing and nowhere does it mention anything about policing the sport.
Every one knows your favorite act is to throw mud at WAKSA, after all those years windsurfing and now kiting you do nothing for the sport.

My personal opinion is, if time shows that a licencing system is needed to keep beaches open, then so be it. But I dont represent anyone but myself.


waveslave
WA, 4263 posts
3 Aug 2009 7:56PM
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RayQ said...
Every one knows your favorite act is to throw mud at WAKSA, after all those years windsurfing and now kiting you do nothing for the sport.

My personal opinion is, if time shows that a licencing system is needed to keep beaches open, then so be it. But I dont represent anyone but myself.





Ray,
Please try to remain on topic. ^^^
Personal attacks on me will do nothing to change what WAKSA has firmly stated in the past.
ie
>> WAKSA supports the introduction of kitesurfing licences <<
(I believe $400 was the fee being tossed around at the time.)
It's all on record, mate.
History and the internet says so.
lol.
Denial is futile.
And Ray,
if you only represent yourself, why does it seem like you are speaking on behalf of WAKSA all the time ?
Ray... the spokesman for the backflippers.
lol.

RayQ
WA, 638 posts
3 Aug 2009 8:14PM
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waveslave said...

RayQ said...
Every one knows your favorite act is to throw mud at WAKSA, after all those years windsurfing and now kiting you do nothing for the sport.

My personal opinion is, if time shows that a licencing system is needed to keep beaches open, then so be it. But I dont represent anyone but myself.





Ray,
Please try to remain on topic. ^^^
Personal attacks on me will do nothing to change what WAKSA has firmly stated in the past.
ie
>> WAKSA supports the introduction of kitesurfing licences <<
(I believe $400 was the fee being tossed around at the time.)
It's all on record, mate.
History and the internet says so.
lol.
Denial is futile.
And Ray,
if you only represent yourself, why does it seem like you are speaking on behalf of WAKSA all the time ?
Ray... the spokesman for the backflippers.
lol.




BS..... Iv got no more time for you

puppetonastring
WA, 3619 posts
3 Aug 2009 11:01PM
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Just in case there are any punters out there who actually believe slaves trolling I did the search for him.
A great man once said "it is far easier to fabricate lies than seek out the truth" (I think that is one of my own ).
As I well knew - nada - zilch - nothing of the sort ever said by WAKSA
And even if it (waksa) did say any such thing how does any serious commentator get to immediately add AKSA into the argument.
(just one minor point to show you how obviously the misconceptions are laid out there if you care to look)

Mark _australia
WA, 23746 posts
3 Aug 2009 11:07PM
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OK fellas serious response (despite my posts in the other thread)

(1) they mention windsurfers as well as kiters. So we should be scared also
(but it is only Vic so far so let's not all sh!t ourselves too much?) If it gets up let's show some solidarity.

(2) previously in the speed record arguments a few months ago, windsurfers asserted that kiting was not sailing. This proposal talks about sail powered craft so you could perhaps get out of it by claiming you are not sail powered (no connection of power source and board)

(3) we all grizzle about the cowboys in the sport who perform dangerous moves close to the beach or don't give way. Maybe a test will weed them out (unlikely) or make them learn the rules (very likely!), making sailing/kiting more pleasurable for those of us who give a sh!t and don't cause havoc out there

sbray
SA, 350 posts
4 Aug 2009 1:13PM
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Mark _australia said...


(2) previously in the speed record arguments a few months ago, windsurfers asserted that kiting was not sailing. This proposal talks about sail powered craft so you could perhaps get out of it by claiming you are not sail powered (no connection of power source and board)



According to S.A. marine safety classifications, "kite surfers" are treated the same as small sailing vessels.

I am not sure as to the other state's stance (in state marine regulations).

The arguments on Internet Forums are not mentioned in the Maritime rules and regulations.

Healthy (and often humorous) debate consolidates the way forward to present a case to be considered by government.
Stupidity, (one of the factors that gets us regulated like this),tends to stifle a timely, accurate response to proposals.

An Individual can always submit a view on proposed legislation but Government departments tend to treat submissions from State and National representative bodies such as AKSA, SAKSA, WAKSA etc. with more credence.

Regards
Fossil


waveslave
WA, 4263 posts
4 Aug 2009 4:55PM
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puppetonastring said...
And even if it (waksa) did say any such thing how does any serious commentator get to immediately add AKSA into the argument.



I couldn't help but note a hint of doubt in your post, Puppet. ^^^
lol.
Did you do a thorough search ?
A proper one I mean.
But moving right along....
Pardon me for assuming both associations (WAKSA & AKSA) were somehow blood related and were similarly like-minded.
I always believed that AKSA was the head of the kite-assoc. family and WAKSA was it's bastard child born on the West Coast.
Has WAKSA divorced itself from it's disfunctional parent ?
Anyway WAKSA chooses to be firmly seated on the fence regarding kitesurfing licences for the moment.
Fence-sitting and backflipping, WAKSA's two main party tricks.

GreenPat
QLD, 4108 posts
4 Aug 2009 7:17PM
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waveslave said...


Did you do a thorough search ?
A proper one I mean.


Did you? I did, I even used the mod buttons I have that you don't, and I still couldn't find it. This will be easily settled if you can simply link to where WAKSA said it. Show us your google-fu powers Slavey.

junglist
VIC, 701 posts
4 Aug 2009 7:29PM
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I dunno what the issue is. I thought half you lot would be well pleased.

Just think:

A WA License for WA Kiters only
A VIC License for VIC Kiters only
A NSW License for NSW Kiters only
A SA License for SA Kiters only
A ACT License for the Insane only
A QLD License for QLD Kiters only
A NT License for NT Kiters only
A TAS License for TAS Kiters only

Did I miss anyone?

Of course it goes without saying that none of these licenses are transferrable between states.

Just think of the opportunity! FINALLY your parochial localism can be enshrined in an official document. No pesky blow-ins or Euro's can ride YOUR beach!

Imagine the possibilities.




waveslave
WA, 4263 posts
4 Aug 2009 5:30PM
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GreenPat said...

waveslave said...


Did you do a thorough search ?
A proper one I mean.


Did you? I did, I even used the mod buttons I have that you don't, and I still couldn't find it.



If you can't find simple stuff Pat....
maybe ask the boss nicely and get Laurie to show you how to search.

GreenPat
QLD, 4108 posts
4 Aug 2009 7:35PM
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What if I told you that I did, and he can't find it either? Would you help us both out?

waveslave
WA, 4263 posts
4 Aug 2009 5:40PM
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Gee...
Do I need to hold your hand here ? ^^^
Here's a clue;
Search the Melville threads.
Wink.

GreenPat
QLD, 4108 posts
4 Aug 2009 7:47PM
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I must just be a total cabbage when it comes to searching. Please spare me the embarrassment and humiliation of further futile searches and provide me with a link to the exact thread.

waveslave
WA, 4263 posts
4 Aug 2009 5:52PM
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I think I know where you may be going wrong.
Don't search for a 'WAKSA' post per se.
The licence policy was stated by one of it's loyal officers under his I.D.
Get it ?
Keep searching.

junglist
VIC, 701 posts
4 Aug 2009 7:53PM
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Oh you tease

Juddy
WA, 1103 posts
4 Aug 2009 6:05PM
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Slave,

how about you show us just how good you are...stop jerking Green Pat & the rest of us off & show us the link?

Go on, you know you want to...

waveslave
WA, 4263 posts
4 Aug 2009 6:09PM
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Let's not get bogged down here for hours searching the whole goddamn forum.
The past is the past.
WAKSA can be like the wind and be allowed to change it's direction.
What's important is WAKSA's policy on licences for now and the future.

*I'm guessing more fence-sitting.

GreenPat
QLD, 4108 posts
4 Aug 2009 9:04PM
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^^^^ lol

sir ROWDY
WA, 5378 posts
4 Aug 2009 7:21PM
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Back in the day you had to get your surfboard registered in the manly shire. That went away after a while because they realised it was more trouble than it was worth.

At one point they were trying to ban kitesurfing at the best place at my local spot, if they did i was just going to kite there anyway, who is going to police this? the police wouldn't be screwed and the ranger would only want to sit around for so long waiting for you to come in.... if at all.
I don't think its going to happen, its to much hassel for them and not enough power and numbers to police it.

RayQ
WA, 638 posts
4 Aug 2009 7:43PM
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waveslave said...

Let's not get bogged down here for hours searching the whole goddamn forum.
The past is the past.
WAKSA can be like the wind and be allowed to change it's direction.
What's important is WAKSA's policy on licences for now and the future.

*I'm guessing more fence-sitting.


Looks like you shot yourself in the foot.......again.

Recon your problem is, you would fail the test....

puppetonastring
WA, 3619 posts
4 Aug 2009 8:07PM
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RayQ said...
Recon your problem is, you would fail the test....


lol ...

thetastate
QLD, 27 posts
4 Aug 2009 11:47PM
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time to find that death leash again, Mr Godwin Slave



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