i must say its petty amazing that you can sit next t someone on a plane for three or five hrs and not say anything - as if one were invisable. I always try and have a chat but some ppl are just weird. As someone else said, ppl are just so hostile. Maybe they should learn a wind sport.
Pretty sure this argument has 2 sides.
1). Yes the kiter should have gave some kind of an apology, he shouldn't be doing anything that may endanger the public rabble rabble.
2). If you knowingly take your kids to the beach (where "dangerous" activity's are practiced) you accept the fact that there is a possibility that something dangerous could happen.
So if you really want to avoid these incidents go to a place where there are no dangers Eg. A room made of pillows
Bottom line is that by going to the beach you accept the risk of it's dangers.
Chances are there was an irresponsible driver on the way to the beach.
Why not Rabble on a driving forum.
Yeah as NickT said his time is coming
@Jnr Walks yeah there is an inherent risk but this guy is bang out of order what ever way you slice and dice it, and as NickT said this is not an isolated incidence.
If it had happened at mullarz there would have been an uproar.
I think this guy has been moved on from somewhere else already because of his behavior and its about to happen again.
Hey guys , this thread is getting WAY off topic with you arguing over "city vs country" and "don't take your kids to a kite beach or not".
Re-read the original post...........
Amazed knows kites will crash....anyone with a brain know that...because they will.
THE TOTAL DISREGARD AND LACK OF APOLOGY is what he wrote about.
Whether it's spilling a beer or crashing a kite, mistakes will happen.
It's the ATTITUDE of the bloke involved that will make the difference between a friendly hand shake, or a report to the council to kick us off the beach.
Be nice, and if you screw up, be really nice.
Just my 2 cents worth.......
I guess the problem is now that people are more litigious, saying "sorry" becomes an admission of liability. (First rule when you have a car accident) Now, before you "red thumb" me in this situation, I think the best thing to do is:
1. Secure your gear and go over to the person you hit/nearly hit with you kite.
2. Ask, "Is everyone here OK, I hope no-one is hurt"
3. IF someone is hurt, don't make an apology but render assistance where possible (you may be told to leave off) pack down your gear and be ready to offer your contact details. Session over.
4. IF it's a case of no harm, no foul, then make an apology, "Sorry I didn't mean to scare you" that sort of thing.
I did something similar in St Kilda - I don't drop my kite often and it gave me a bit of a shock too. But before I left I also said, "It's great to be down on the beach with your kids, but I would hate to see you or your kids getting hurt, it's a lot safer to either watch from over there, or if your kids just want to play then it's a lot safer up on the beach in front of the Sea Baths, we aren't allowed to kite there and this beach is an area set out for kiters."
I reckon he was stalking you asking for your Facebook name.
Select to expand quote What a sad indictment on the society we live in now that your first instinct would NOT be to apologise (like anyone ever brought up with any manners would do) but rather to think they might sue me, so first I'll make sure everyone's ok before I offer an apology?? Sorry but that's just crap!
Fact is, if they're the kind of people that are likely to sue you, they're gonna do it regardless of whether you apologise or not. How this topic got so off track astounds me.... All 'amazed' asked for was a simple apology!! One he is entitled to no matter where he was sitting. It's just common MANNERS people!!
I'll say sorry on behalf of all the losers here who can't . Sorry 'amazed'. If it were me, it would've been the first thing I would have done. Unbelievable... Red thumb away.
Thanks Stevo J.
Spot on.
It's really hard to comprehend people who behave in this way..because any decent person would have obviously apologized and checked all was ok...so the question asked is how do people arrive at the point in their minds where they know they have impacted on someone in a dangerous way but can't admit they are in the wrong and apologize,they are able to justify to themselves it's always the other person/people's fault.
The bet is that if the guy in question was reading this thread he still wouldn't admit he had reason to apologize,it's a sad mind set if you can't face up to your wrongs,his karma is he has to live with his miserable head on a daily basis...
My first instinct if i hit someone would be to apoligise AND render assistance. A simple apology might help the two parties involved leave on better terms, with less resentment towards each other. Who knows, they might even become friends afterwards!
Although both apoligising and offering assistance show that you care somewhat for their welfare, they are not substitutes for one another.
Had a hour to kill in Kalgoolie today so Had a flick through my new fone to see what rubbish is being written on seabreeze ATM and came across this post. My first response was, ye what a dick head, then I realised "amazed" was talking about me. **** I had crashed my kite next to his kids, It appeared to me that I had missed them and I had said sorry at the time but obviously by this post, amazed did not hear me.
So Amazed I am sorry I crashed my kite near your kids. I understand how you feel as I would feel the same if someone crashed there kite next to my kids. I did came to look for you after I kited, which was only about 25 mins but you had already left. Also sorry to disappoint you but the car with the parking ticked was not mine.
Things always seem to go wrong when you are rushing to get a kite in, I only had a short time before I was supposed to be at a lunch.
I set up my kite in the same place I have always set up for the last 12 years, which was still down wind of where you were sitting.
This is not an excuse for my kite crashing, but I had a new set of Wake bindings with laces on, these require both hands to do up tight, usually not a problem as I can park the kite at 12 O'clock and it stays there OK. I can usually notice if it starts to wander off and go to one side. I cant remember the last time this happened, however maybe because of the unusual wind direction or because the wind had not come in properly yet, it crashed before I realised. From where I was it looked it looked like no one was hit and I did say sorry at the time and relaunched my kite. If I had seen that you or your kids were hurt then I would have taken my binding off and come straight over.
As Tony Abbot says "s##t happens". Since I have been kiteing I have been hid by numerous kites, boards and lines both on the beach and in the water, but have never felt the need to post on seabreeze for a public flogging. If it was a apology you want, then again I am sorry, but I do feel you could have come to talk to me about it at the time, as I still had my other binding to tighten up before I went out, and was only out for about 25 mins.
You are more than welcome to come back down to Pinnas and throw rotten vegetables at me if it helps.
I hope you do continue with your kitesurfing and enjoy it as much as possible. I can tell you will enjoy seabreeze and will fit right in.
I have emailed this to you as well
Again Sorry
It doesn't take much to say sorry and bid someone well. It is a privledge to kite, not a right guys!!!! If we are responsible we take into consideration our own circumstances making safe discisions based on experience and capabilities and always think first for the welfare of the public and fellow kiters. Not just to boost to attract attention or look good in front of onlookers ( yes, we do draw them in, spectators that is)
I hope for the greater good that he didn't have time to sorry for there is always a reason we might just have to wait. I say sorry for on his behalf and if they're reading this next time just check that there ok please. Even if you think the might be because even landing nearby some is enough to scare the .... of of ya.
Just look around, evaluate, hessitate to make sure its safe!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What the hell am I doing here I normally just read these things. TWO SIDED VEIWER
wow... some dude posts on seabreeze how his kids (almost/maybe/might of/did) got hit by a kite... (on a kite beach)
if it was true, wouldn't you (as a pissed off parent) just hit the kiter and post on seabreeze how you just hit the kiter...?
kitegirl21, thanks for the baitin material in latest auskiteboarding....
beav's...
finally worth the 8 bucks....
Well Amazed, you may be new to kiting but you seem like a seasoned veteran to the drama world on this forum..Good on the bloke who crashed his kite for giving an apology on the beach and for a second time here. Know one wants to see anyone get hurt and really great your grom didnt. Anywhere you are within 20m of a kite you have an inherent risk which if you choose to have your kids there at a kite dedicated area...its your call.
Its funny kiters seem to want to criticize the next guy like they have never crashed a kite and came close to cleaning someone up., ooh time to go do something useful ciao!
Sounds like a bit more interaction than "sorry mate" from a distance was needed In this situation..bit hard with 1 boot on 1 off,to get up the beach but maybe un-booting was necessary.
Amased thanks for excepting my apology. I have read your posts again and I have noticed that you have used a lot of evocative language (Tosser, Victim, scene of the crime ect.) so I can see you are very emotional about this.
The title of your post, suggests that my kite hit your children, but you also said in a later post that had the kite had been 30 cm further upwind it would have collected your son. From where I was it looked like no one was hit. Can you please clarify for me whether or not my kite actually hit anyone or not.
As one of your hobbies is flying you will no doubt know that a little knowledge of a subject can be the most dangerous, and I think a bit of prospective is needed here. Whilst you are correct, kites are very powerful and can cause damage, with only about 15 kts of wind and when the kite is at the edge of the window with the bar fully de powered there is next to no power in the kite and the lines are virtually slack. I understand that it can be scary to have this kite crash near you, (and for this I have apologised and been publicly humiliated) but even being hit by it is no where near the worst thing that can happen when kitesurfing. I can tell you from person experience that being hit by a kite doing a death spiral hurts, being clothed lined by kite lines across the neck by a kiter going in the opposite direction hurts, being tangled in another kite nearly drowns, but a kite at the edge of the window with the bar fully out in light winds, can we all have a little bit of prospective pls.
Amazed you will certainly have a lot to post about on here come summer, when or if you do take up kitesurfing.
Cheers
Juice Rider
Hi All,
It's the wife here. Just wanted to put some perspective on this matter and hope that we can just move on as a lesson learnt by all parties.
Juicerider, your apology is greatly appreciated and sincerely accepted, it does take a big person to put their hand up on a public forum like this. Cheers.
Torch, you say there is always 2 sides to every story, however this story appears to be pretty similar. Maybe more a case of the individuals expectation and perception of the outcome that differs.
We are talking about two children aged 5 and 3 here. To clarify, when the kite came down our children were playing next to each other in the sand. The kite came down between the boys and we lost site of our 3 year old behind the kite. How he didn't get tangled in the lines still astonishes me.
The complete look of terror and fear in our 5 year olds face as he came running to us in tears saying that he had been hit by the kite would be enough to evoke very strong emotions in any parent.
The kite left a decent indent in the sand ,which makes me very very grateful that our son was not hit in the head with the kite. The outcome would have been completely different.
The next part of the story goes…… yadda, yadda, yadda.
Child: Why did I get hit by the kite?
Parent: I am sure it was an accident honey, sometimes kites can fall out of the sky.
Child: But you still have to say sorry if it is an accident.
Out of the mouths of babes.
He had no physical injuries and is fine.
I hope that we can consider this matter now closed, apology humbly made and gratefully accepted.
