Select to expand quotekimtrang said..brianlara3 said.. Other thing, US boats run 120 volts unlike our 240. Often problematic.
I'm sure my next boat will come from o/s.
Hi, my first post. I have bought a boat imported from the US with a shore power connection that I wish to connect to a small generator, mainly so I can use the battery charger that came with it. It is a 100-240v 50/60 charger. It has a Marinco inlet, Marinco power lead and Blue Sea 120 volt 60hz power board with reverse polarity which I'm not entirely sure does. There is nothing else with 120v power on board, apart from 120v outlets. My understanding is that the wiring should be OK, being 30 amp as opposed to 15 amp and that the fuses need to changed to 15 amp.
Can I connect the Marinco power lead to a generator (probably Honda Eu20i) by changing the US male plug to a standard Au male plug?
Would I need to change the 150v Blue Sea panel meter? Is there anything I'd need to change?
Obviously, I wouldn't be able to plug into the grid without getting it certified.
Thank You. Any help would be highly appreciated.
You need to have a qualified Electrician look at it. it is highly illegal to do your own electrical work. It does not matter if you run off a generator or grid, it is the same 240volt and will kill just the same. I am an electrical contractor and I certainly would not give any advice without seeing the boat. Cable size is only one little thing, there are many other factors to consider. I have had to convert a number of US boat to Australian standards and in most cases it is not a huge problem. My advice is to spend a couple of dollars and have it done properly and do not put power from any source onto the boat until you do.
Select to expand quoteJode5 said..kimtrang said..brianlara3 said.. Other thing, US boats run 120 volts unlike our 240. Often problematic.
I'm sure my next boat will come from o/s.
Hi, my first post. I have bought a boat imported from the US with a shore power connection that I wish to connect to a small generator, mainly so I can use the battery charger that came with it. It is a 100-240v 50/60 charger. It has a Marinco inlet, Marinco power lead and Blue Sea 120 volt 60hz power board with reverse polarity which I'm not entirely sure does. There is nothing else with 120v power on board, apart from 120v outlets. My understanding is that the wiring should be OK, being 30 amp as opposed to 15 amp and that the fuses need to changed to 15 amp.
Can I connect the Marinco power lead to a generator (probably Honda Eu20i) by changing the US male plug to a standard Au male plug?
Would I need to change the 150v Blue Sea panel meter? Is there anything I'd need to change?
Obviously, I wouldn't be able to plug into the grid without getting it certified.
Thank You. Any help would be highly appreciated.
You need to have a qualified Electrician look at it. it is highly illegal to do your own electrical work. It does not matter if you run off a generator or grid, it is the same 240volt and will kill just the same. I am an electrical contractor and I certainly would not give any advice without seeing the boat. Cable size is only one little thing, there are many other factors to consider. I have had to convert a number of US boat to Australian standards and in most cases it is not a huge problem. My advice is to spend a couple of dollars and have it done properly and do not put power from any source onto the boat until you do.
+1 Not worth stuffing around with. Electrics are dangerous enough at 240V, but on a boat it is even more important to do it right.
Thanks Yara and Jode5. I realise now that any advice to the contrary would be against forum rules.
There is an electrician a few boats over from me. I'll sling him some money and ask him to take a look. Maybe I could just get him to put a 240 plug on the battery charger.
www.marinebusiness.com.au/archive/240-volt-electricity-to-your-boat-and-how-to-make-sure-it-s-legal-
The battery charger might be OK if its name plate says 240 volts. However the other high voltage gear will probably still be overvoltage with all sorts of potential problems. Its just not worth the risk. Dump the gear and start again. Its only the equipment upstream of the batteries. All the low voltage DC gear will be OK. Forum rules is not what we are on about, it is plain old good sense.
The battery charger should be fine. I've checked and it is actually 90-270v 45-70hz. There is no 120v stuff apart from the Blue Sea 120v distribution panel and the power points. I'm pretty sure the Waeco compressor for the fridge is 12 volt only.
www.solaronline.com.au/sterling-pro-charge-ultra-12v-40a-smart-battery-charger.html
On the other hand, I'll need to ditch (not literally) the EPIRB as it can only registered in the US.
Thanks again Yara.
Select to expand quotebrianlara3 said..
Yep, every year car must pass really tough tests. One single drop of oil....anywhere...fail.
Poor wheel alignment fail.
Battery not properly secured fail
Faded tai light lens fail
Wiper rubbers not wiping properly fail
But, we save lives.
No doubt about it.
I'd do them for free if necessary.
interesting. you'd think NSW should have much higher speed limits with that?
I haven't done it before but this article might help out - www.willship.com.au/how-to-ship-a-boat-overseas/
Select to expand quoteSectorsteve said..
aussie gov are crooks. every gov department are crooks.
They are parasites. Leeches. No tax is moral, but this one just plain pisses me off.
Sounds like we're heading for "Shooting the breeze" but "no tax is moral"! Surely societies collectively agree to pool some of their resources to produce the common areas of infrastructure etc. How much in total and how it is collected is of course up for debate.
I love paying tax; roads, health care, justice, law enforcement, libraries, public bins, defence, national parks, education, rubbish collection, nav aids, etc, etc.
Sometimes I reflect on how little of my life is provided by the private sector! Today I moored to a public jetty and walked up public roads and tracks to a National park look out. Then I read my sailing magazine from the library.
Cheers
Bristle
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Sounds like we're heading for "Shooting the breeze" but "no tax is moral"! Surely societies collectively agree to pool some of their resources to produce the common areas of infrastructure etc. How much in total and how it is collected is of course up for debate.
I love paying tax; roads, health care, justice, law enforcement, libraries, public bins, defence, national parks, education, rubbish collection, nav aids, etc, etc.
Sometimes I reflect on how little of my life is provided by the private sector! Today I moored to a public jetty and walked up public roads and tracks to a National park look out. Then I read my sailing magazine from the library.
Cheers
Bristle
+1. I'm a capitalist at heart and there is room for debate on the details but society requires collective effort.
Navigational aids are a good example of the need for taxes. In earlier centuries sailors died in their hundreds, and their expensive ships and cargoes died with them, for lack of lighthouses and navigational aids. Of course, the reason there were no lighthouses was because of the lack of taxation revenue.
How would the rugged anti-tax individualists run things like nav aids? Would they just hope that someone would erect a buoy out of their own good will? Would radio stations and GPS satellites form themselves?
Select to expand quoteSectorsteve said..
aussie gov are crooks. every gov department are crooks.
I've spent a bit of time working for government departments - a bit over 2 years in a working life of 30+ years. I won't do it again because they are so damn depressingly inefficient, frustrating and overbearing, but there's no way in the world that I would call them crooks. They don't respect the public enough, but then again most of the public doesn't respect how hard it is to run a government either. If the public doesn't try to understand how hard it is to be in government, then arguably the public can't expect the government to understand what it's like to be a member of the public.
Select to expand quoteChris 249 said..Sectorsteve said..
aussie gov are crooks. every gov department are crooks.
I've spent a bit of time working for government departments - a bit over 2 years in a working life of 30+ years. I won't do it again because they are so damn depressingly inefficient, frustrating and overbearing, but there's no way in the world that I would call them crooks. They don't respect the public enough, but then again most of the public doesn't respect how hard it is to run a government either. If the public doesn't try to understand how hard it is to be in government, then arguably the public can't expect the government to understand what it's like to be a member of the public.
Good point. The planets off kilter generally. Its not just australia. All the workers for governments everywhere are just cogs in the machine, but they are members of the public also. They are just doing what theyve been told to do. Until people realise that they are a creative being first and anything else is secondary we will continue to have this level of consciousness. The fact that we are where we are and the state of things is evidence enough that the system that has been in place needs to change.
We are brainwashed from as early as possible to live a certain way, influenced at every corner. Alot of people identify with this. Many people identify with their profession. You are not your job. Until a shift in consciousness happens here we will continue to have stupid rules , wars etc and people will be manipulated into believing everything that the media tells them. The real terrorists are the ones pointing the finger. If no one owned a tv and shielded themselves from any news or ads, those outlets would die and we would all just get on with it being what we are. Creative beings. Instead we are constantly being told what to think and how to live. Humans are nothing more than cannon fodder, a tool, revenue collectors and a commodity of the elite who control the planet through our governments and brainwash us through the media which they own.. We are moulded to be this way through the education systems at the start. Personally i thought school was an utter waste of time. I consider myself lucky that i have this inherent desire to be me. I dont see any logical reason why i needed to pay gst on stuff i brought over ith me from nz that i already paid GST on. I dont see any logical reason why a farmer in australia must have his land carved up and given over to a gas company. i dont see any logical reason for the constant creation of new laws - usually as a result of some retard not taking responsibility for their own actions.
My point is the world is run by sadistic evil people and it needs to change. We are heading down the road of GM everything and man made insects etc. It seriously is a worry and we are all letting it happen.
So in relevance to this thread my advice is. Keep it simple unless you are happy to fork out alot of $ to the aussie gov who are collecting for the crown - but thats another story.
Select to expand quoteChris 249 said..
Navigational aids are a good example of the need for taxes. Of course, the reason there were no lighthouses was because of the lack of taxation revenue. In earlier centuries sailors died in their hundreds, and their expensive ships and cargoes died with them, for lack of lighthouses and navigational aids
How would the rugged anti-tax individualists run things like nav aids? Would they just hope that someone would erect a buoy out of their own good will? Would radio stations and GPS satellites form themselves?
"Navigational aids are a good example of the need for taxes".
Most, as in the vast majority of your taxes do not pay for useful things like navigation markers. About 75% of your taxes are wasted on things that productive people have no interest in, and derive little real benefit from. So cardinal markers are not a good example of the need for taxes.
They may be an example of a good use of tax dollars, but are they a good example of a necessary use of tax dollars? There is a difference.
"In earlier centuries sailors died in their hundreds, and their expensive ships and cargoes died with them, for lack of lighthouses and navigational aids".
In early centuries there weren't tens of thousands of ships plying the oceans and coastlines of the world. Economics or necessity is why navigation markers and lighthouses came into being on a large scale. So yes, lighthouses are good, but I have never heard an argument that the humble lighthouse owes its existance to government and its ability to forcefully take money off people.
It would be like saying "if it weren't for the government who used to run power company, there would be no such thing as an electricity grid".
"How would the rugged anti-tax individualists run things like nav aids? Would they just hope that someone would erect a buoy out of their own good will?"
Would they just hope that someone would start a volunteer bush fire brigades and volunteer coast guard/marine recue service out of their own good will? Would people just donate their time because they felt generous?
If there is a need for a service, and in the absence of government, the private sector will provide that service, either by way of business or the community.
To suppose or imply that vital infrastructure that facilitated world trade for the last few hundred years would have simply disappeared if the government stopped doing it, or would not have come into being being had the government not started doing it is an extraordinary claim.
You have to be careful not to create a false dichotomy with respect to taxation ie pay tax to the government or the channel markers will disappear. They won't disappear. Why? because they are needed. They will just be provided in a different manner. Why? Because people need them.
People need food, yet food didn't disappear when the Soviet Union collapsed into the steaming crapheap it deserved to fall into.
Interestingly, one of the single most important navigational aids at the moment is the LCD screen which are generally produced by private corporations in China and South Korea.
Several private business interests produce satellites and rockets to lift the satellites into space. Most of the NASA launch equipment since the very beginning was/is designed and manufactured by private businesses.
As time marches on, the space industry will be more and more a private enterprise affair, and it would have started that way if it weren't for governments monopolising the sector post WWII.
It's a bit like people saying "we need the ABC because it broadcasts it's leftist dribble into far flung regions that the private sector won't. But it's because of the ABC that the private sector doesn't.
"I have never heard an argument that the humble lighthouse owes its existance to government and its ability to forcefully take money off people."
Well, you've obviously never read about the history of lighthouse funding. You've also never read of the hundreds of deaths that were caused until government-backed organisations got the lights properly organised. About 2,000 men died in one night on Wolf Rock before it finally got a decent light when a Royal Navy squadron got lost.
No one provided the markers that could have saved the men in those four Royal Navy ships out of their own pocket. And it was not for lack of ships that needed them - 70 ships and boats were wrecked in one night alone on the east coast of Scotland in 1799, and that wasn't all that unusual. Up to six ships each winter were wrecked on Bell Rock alone, and the death of the ship of the line HMS York with all hands finally got the government - not private enterprise, not some community organisation - to build a lighthouse.
These structures were vital to world commerce and no one created decent ones until governments did. It's the same with charts and rutters.
Oh, and the community organisations you mention get government funding. You want to tell the volunteer bushfire fighters that if their government funding stopped tomorrow then a grateful community would throw cash at them? They'll be too busy laughing to fight any fires for a while. In fact the early history of urban fire brigades, and the bizarre situations that occurred where they just sat in front of burning houses while people died, because they weren't getting paid to fight fires, is one of the examples that prove why the whole laizzez faire argument failed.
Oh, by the way, the reason that Cook came to Australia was because he was on a government-sponsored expedition to observe the transit of venus so that the Royal Society could improve longitudinal calculations for navigation. Private enterprise ignored it, just as they ignore things like the basic science that LCD screens depend upon.
PS - while we're on transportation, have a read about the failure of early private-enterprise railways in Australia. If it was left to private enterprise people would have been walking or using horses until the first bikes and cars arrived....although of course without roads provided by the government cars and bikes wouldn't have been much use.
would all depend what the boats cargo was back then that would either turn the lights on or off
Bumper Sticker Time;
The only difference between a Government and an Organised crime gang is the amount of organisation involved.
Anarchy Rules!
Screw the Government, they've screwed you enough times.
So who remembers what this thread started out as.
Select to expand quoteBruski068 said..
Bumper Sticker Time;
The only difference between a Government and an Organised crime gang is the amount of organisation involved.
Anarchy Rules!
Screw the Government, they've screwed you enough times.
So who remembers what this thread started out as.
im a massive culprit for the tangent....i am sorry...cant wait to get to the heads soon and turn left
The lcd screen was invented and developed largely at the publically funded University of Hull. Private companies just build them and make their cash.
Staying on a state funded courtesy mooring and had a nice walk on the state land down a state funded wheelchair access path. Rowed past some nice nav aids that our tax paid for.
Had a coffee at the market - I'm sure the council will be in to clear up the rubbish tomorrow.
Nothing against the private sector, but boy is a lot of the good stuff done by government and volunteers.
Loving paying that tax.
Cheers
Bristle
I'm with you you bristle, you only have to look at the magnificent training walls we have along the east coast, courtesy of the dept public works, railways, schools, bridges, sewerage,roads, hospitals even.
If ya don't want help pay for what the next generations get, then it's hardly fair to accept the benefits that previous generations have bestowed on us !
Anyway I think we got a bit side tracked from importing a yacht !
Hey bristle if your in the Clarence sing out, it might be good to meet
Select to expand quotewoko said..
I'm with you you bristle, you only have to look at the magnificent training walls we have along the east coast, courtesy of the dept public works, railways, schools, bridges, sewerage,roads, hospitals even.
If ya don't want help pay for what the next generations get, then it's hardly fair to accept the benefits that previous generations have bestowed on us !
Anyway I think we got a bit side tracked from importing a yacht !
Hey bristle if your in the Clarence sing out, it might be good to meet
i am too to some extent. a few years back went on a nice whirlwind trip of Europe. Id ,lived there previously for 10 years but this was a different trip. There was filth everywhere, rubbish everywhere. Toilets - pay, showers - pay, parking was privately run, some hotels even charged for it.
I remember getting back home and being so grateful. Went out on the harbour and enviro services were cleaning the ocean. went on a motorbike ride to collaroy and enjoyed showers, toilets - really clean. Its awesome we have all that. Im not a fan of all the other gouging that goes on and how hopeless the gov seems to be at making decisions on things like plastic and recycling. Its also apparent to me that any big enviro concern , relating to mining or any big $ gets passed regardless of how many protest about it or how unethical it is. I just feel that the people here dont really have a say on alot. we get made to believe we do, but in the end, the adanis, and any big business really get to do what they want.
