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How cold does it have to get before you whimp?

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Created by sboardcrazy > 9 months ago, 29 Jun 2010
sboardcrazy
NSW, 8355 posts
29 Jun 2010 12:15PM
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Thought with the weather we have here today ( snow like blanket of frost ) this would be topical..I tend to sail later in the am in winter when its warmed up a bit ( so i often miss the best of the westerlies..)..I think 12 degrees is the coldest I've sailed in..dont know how cold the water is but the lake gets very cold in late winter..I used to be very good at doing all sorts of contortions to stay on the board & out of the icey water but unfortunately I've lost those skills..
I think if I lived down south or Canberra I'd certainly whimp unless I had a heated suit or drysuit..

Windxtasy
WA, 4019 posts
29 Jun 2010 10:20AM
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That depends entirely on how strong the wind is.
A good 25 - 30 knots will entice me out on the coldest of days.

sboardcrazy
NSW, 8355 posts
29 Jun 2010 12:27PM
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Windxtasy said...

That depends entirely on how strong the wind is.
A good 25 - 30 knots will entice me out on the coldest of days.


I'm getting woosey..I used to love 20 -30kts now..? 15-20kts..?Maybe because I know I can usually cope gybing in those conditions..I dont get enough practise in 20 - 30kts these days..

KenHo
NSW, 1353 posts
29 Jun 2010 12:39PM
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Have you got snow ?
I need to check the moutain reports.

sboardcrazy
NSW, 8355 posts
29 Jun 2010 12:57PM
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KenHo said...

Have you got snow ?
I need to check the moutain reports.


No we don't get snow here ( we did once in 1966..) it just looked like snow it was so heavy.My fantasy dream would be to have it snow so I could stick the skis on & go down the hill in front of the house..I managed to ski 15kms on 4WD trails on Barrington tops once ( Hunter Valley ) it was only a light cover & had turned to slush by the end of the day.Pretty boring as it was flat but nice to be able to say we'd done it.
How long does it take you to get to the snow?

Gorgo
VIC, 5127 posts
29 Jun 2010 1:22PM
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One of my best memories is skiing in the morning and windsurfing in the afternoon in brilliant winter sunshine.

For winter surfing I really like getting out in the 4/3 wettie with integrated hood and booties on a really foul day. It's amazing being in such a hostile environment but being wamr and comfortable. If it's sleeting a bit then you can tilt your head so the visor of the hood shields your face.

I carry a 5 litre contained of hot water wrapped in a towel so I can wash myself down with hot water then head for home for a glass of red in front of the fire.

Richiefish
QLD, 5612 posts
29 Jun 2010 1:28PM
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Windxtasy said...

That depends entirely on how strong the wind is.
A good 25 - 30 knots will entice me out on the coldest of days.


Same here. Its a ratio. Its gotta be fun to get cold !.

KenHo
NSW, 1353 posts
29 Jun 2010 2:22PM
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It takes me too freaking long to get to the snow.
We have given up going in Australia, but dedicate ourselves to going to CAnada every year.
Next booked trip is Whistler again in FEb.
That's not to say that a big dump would not entice us in OZ, but it would have to be a metre or more.
I live right on the Qld/NSW border, so 10 hrs drive to Sydney, then 6 hours or so to Jindy.
I'm told that the Victorian fields are actually a smidgen closer, so we might even do that sometime.
Trouble is, once you ski the big mountains of BC, everything else is too small.

Gorgo is right. I love being out in an incredibly hostile environment, snuggled up i snow gear.
I don't mind getting cold sailing, if the wind is worth it.
Not much on offer here at present though, just dead and dreary.

Windxtasy
WA, 4019 posts
29 Jun 2010 12:24PM
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Gorgo said...

One of my best memories is skiing in the morning and windsurfing in the afternoon in brilliant winter sunshine.



sounds wonderful!

Trousers
SA, 565 posts
29 Jun 2010 2:08PM
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Last winter a friend and I foolishly tried to sailed a June day on Lake Burley-Griffen in Canberra, where the overnight lows in winter routinely dip below freezing.

I got out from shore probably two hundred metres and realised we'd overestimated the wind, so I tried to get the lumpen stumps of my frozen feet to execute a slow gybe and muffed the end. I fell into the water and as soon as my head went under I got an instant ice-cream headache. Plodding back to shore I packed up and went home.

But now back in SA, you can sail all year around...some years back I sailed 50 weekends of the year here. As long as the wind is up, I find the exercise will raise my body-temperature and keep me warm in a 4/3; after about fifteen minutes, the extremities thaw out and I can feel my toes again. I guess there might be danger if you injure yourself and have to limp home, but I rarely sail alone.

sboardcrazy
NSW, 8355 posts
29 Jun 2010 3:34PM
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Trousers said...

Last winter a friend and I foolishly tried to sailed a June day on Lake Burley-Griffen in Canberra, where the overnight lows in winter routinely dip below freezing.

I got out from shore probably two hundred metres and realised we'd overestimated the wind, so I tried to get the lumpen stumps of my frozen feet to execute a slow gybe and muffed the end. I fell into the water and as soon as my head went under I got an instant ice-cream headache. Plodding back to shore I packed up and went home.

But now back in SA, you can sail all year around...some years back I sailed 50 weekends of the year here. As long as the wind is up, I find the exercise will raise my body-temperature and keep me warm in a 4/3; after about fifteen minutes, the extremities thaw out and I can feel my toes again. I guess there might be danger if you injure yourself and have to limp home, but I rarely sail alone.


Canberra incident Ugh.. You can keep that..Brr..I think my wettie is only a 3/2mm but Ive been wearing a thermal under it..I think a thicker one would be nice but I cant afford one.

sboardcrazy
NSW, 8355 posts
29 Jun 2010 3:37PM
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KenHo said...

It takes me too freaking long to get to the snow.
We have given up going in Australia, but dedicate ourselves to going to CAnada every year.
Next booked trip is Whistler again in FEb.
That's not to say that a big dump would not entice us in OZ, but it would have to be a metre or more.
I live right on the Qld/NSW border, so 10 hrs drive to Sydney, then 6 hours or so to Jindy.
I'm told that the Victorian fields are actually a smidgen closer, so we might even do that sometime.
Trouble is, once you ski the big mountains of BC, everything else is too small.

Gorgo is right. I love being out in an incredibly hostile environment, snuggled up i snow gear.
I don't mind getting cold sailing, if the wind is worth it.
Not much on offer here at present though, just dead and dreary.


Lucky bugger! I used to go to Charlottes every year for XCD spring day trips onto the crags etc. I was getting sick of the same old 2 .15 hr boring slog every year up to the top to start a run but I've been too crook to go for the last 6 years so i think I'd be just happy to be able to get there again. My mates have been skiing overseas + have new gear etc so I don't think I''ll be able to keep up with them.. assuming I can remember how to turn. Grr.. they used to have to keep up with me..

KenHo
NSW, 1353 posts
29 Jun 2010 3:50PM
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Yeah, in some ways a lucky bugger, in some ways just well-organised, mostly meaning organisation of contraception.
We plan our holiday early and spend most of the year paying it off. Not so bad this year, as my remote work will pay for it easily, and we got some cracking deals, thank to the Goddess and her supernatural shopping ability.

Know what you mean about the sailing in SA. The winter I spent in Perth was like that. Constant northerlies coming off cold fronts. The wind was actually warmer than in summer, and having a largely night duty job, I sailed several days a week at least. I just used a short spring suit, and was always fine. Being out of the water mostly, and working lots of big muscle groups means staying warm.

firiebob
WA, 3182 posts
29 Jun 2010 2:22PM
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If I need a wettie then it's too cold, and no I'm not being a smart arse, I really hate the cold
Atm it's 26 here

KenHo
NSW, 1353 posts
29 Jun 2010 4:25PM
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North Queenslanders..............

I'll be up next week, to Mareeba anyway, then either Atherton or Cairns for a couple of weeks in August. MIght even drive up and bring some gear.

firiebob said...

If I need a wettie then it's too cold, and no I'm not being a smart arse, I really hate the cold
Atm it's 26 here


racerX
463 posts
29 Jun 2010 2:33PM
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Went out in 4 degrees water temp, with the win-chill factor bringing it under 0 quite a bit over the UK winter. Actually no problem in a 5/4, and everything covered except for the face. The right gear for it makes all the difference, but it aint cheap.

sboardcrazy
NSW, 8355 posts
29 Jun 2010 4:49PM
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racerX said...

Went out in 4 degrees water temp, with the win-chill factor bringing it under 0 quite a bit over the UK winter. Actually no problem in a 5/4, and everything covered except for the face. The right gear for it makes all the difference, but it aint cheap.


You wouldnt have a choice over there!

Bristol
ACT, 347 posts
29 Jun 2010 5:25PM
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Tomorrow will be a sailing day for me. Here's a precis of the BOM forecast just issued:-

Warning Summary at issue time: Small Boat Alert for Wednesday afternoon.

A cold front currently moving through Victoria will move through southern NSW on Wednesday, bringing a few showers, chiefly along the ranges to the west and south of the ACT where they are likely to fall as snow.

Forecast for Wednesday: Dry with cloudy periods for Canberra, chance of a few snow showers about the Brindabella ranges. Moderate to fresh westerly winds.

Min -3 Max 9

Winds on Lake: Westerly around 10 km/h increasing to 20-30 knots in the afternoon.


Sounds cold, but it's really quite OK if you have the right wetsuit, in my case an Ion 5/4 semi-dry suit.

PS: Does this make you feel nostalgic, Trousers?

Rabs
81 posts
29 Jun 2010 3:38PM
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You should all try the UK in winter - now thats cold. Doesnt stop me though. Certain parts of your body shrivel and your fingers and toes go blue but its good for your character....
On the flip side we've been having a bit of a heatwave over here so about time the UK got some decent weather... No wind though

nick0
NSW, 510 posts
29 Jun 2010 8:03PM
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didnt go sailing but jumps in the car this morning turn on the wipers and ..nothing .. the water was frozen .. had to use a stick to save my hands

WindmanV
VIC, 826 posts
29 Jun 2010 8:06PM
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Melbourne Monday.

Max air temp: 11.4 deg. C, bright sunshine on my 5/3 single-sided wetsuit made it feel a higher temperature, water temp 12.9 deg C, frozen hands, 20 kt northerly, 5.8 m sail /115 L board, excellent sail.

Melbourne Tuesday.

Max air temp: 10.3 deg. C, wind chill 2 deg. C, 10-25 kt squally northerly, rain, grey skies. Didn't go out and wished I'd gone to Rye.

sboardcrazy
NSW, 8355 posts
29 Jun 2010 8:59PM
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nick0 said...

didnt go sailing but jumps in the car this morning turn on the wipers and ..nothing .. the water was frozen .. had to use a stick to save my hands


I was watching the NW pick up but talked myself out of it..

sboardcrazy
NSW, 8355 posts
29 Jun 2010 9:02PM
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It sounds like noone wears booties or gloves..? I wear diving gloves ( must admit I had to take them off when I had to retie the outhaul out on the water last sail as they are useless to do anything like that with).So far they have been great + booties mean my feet stay warm..I just need another vest I think..I also wear a helmet + buoyancy vest which cuts the wind..cripes I'm a whoose..

shear tip
NSW, 1125 posts
29 Jun 2010 9:23PM
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KenHo said...

Next booked trip is Whistler again in FEb.


Hey Ken, you spelled Blackcomb wrong...

Mark _australia
WA, 23721 posts
29 Jun 2010 7:30PM
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I find it really is not too cold in Australia to sail - as long as you have a wettie and it is roooolly windy so you are working hard, you are warm whilst sailing.

Major issue and I will never do it again - sailing in 6deg is fine until it hails. Having to walk in 3-5cm of hail in the carpark, barefoot, just to de-rig and get to car is painful. Literally.

confused
NSW, 175 posts
29 Jun 2010 9:41PM
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Agree with a couple of others... its never to cold in Australia! Try the UK winter, thats cold! Although when you bash yourself about (which I do a lot) its pretty easy to numb the pain and keep going.

izaak
TAS, 2013 posts
29 Jun 2010 9:45PM
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it would be great to get the northerners to come down and try our speed run at Henty River on the west coast (tas),you will find it great..... haha not.i know the vics could handle it.

plus i wear booties all year round even when it is warm. i only get in boardies 3-5 times a year for sailing.

racerX
463 posts
29 Jun 2010 8:58PM
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That reminds me, one of the warmers sessions in the uk I thought I would go without the mittens, as my hands were getting cold and numb I made the mistake of bitting one just to make sure it wasn't frozen, man that hurt! Probably my brain was frozen.

Been In Sydney this week, maybe I will catch a bit of wind tomorrow afternoon.

KA360
NSW, 803 posts
29 Jun 2010 11:23PM
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Hi Bristol!

We'll try to back you up tomorrow - I don't know if we'll be able to handle it though (if it dips below 28 degrees it might be a shock to the system). The problem here is whether it's too hot - the water feels like a bath. Bonaire is the sweetest windsurfing spot I've ever seen - it looks like a giant swimming pool - the bottom is 1 metre deep and all white sand so the water looks turquoise. We are definitely not roughing it...

Thinking of you - you are braver than we are. Alex is putting in a good effort though - he already has a hand full of blisters and won't stop!

jh2703
NSW, 1225 posts
29 Jun 2010 11:33PM
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Bristol said...

Tomorrow will be a sailing day for me. Here's a precis of the BOM forecast just issued:-

Warning Summary at issue time: Small Boat Alert for Wednesday afternoon.



Bristol, I'll be home for that one...Have you GPS ready.

Back on the topic, I've sailed all year round in Canberra and as long as I have the right gear(wetsuit 3/2 and a hood) It's ok. I thought Canberra would be as cold as things got...But I was wrong. I've just moved up to Jindabyne at the base of the snowy mountains and have just found a new degree of cold, Overnight temps have been below minus 10 and we've had snow falls in the town itself. The wind whips through Jindabyne quite strong and was to good to pass up the other day, I rigged my 4.7 and 95l and went for my first and last blast of the winter in Jindabyne. It was bloody freezing to say the least, I lasted for 20 mins before I could no longer feel anything, A fisherman was telling me his fish finder showed the water temp to be 6 degrees, He also said I was mad and that this lake has claimed many lives.....I changed out of my wetsuit and by the time I went to throw it into the van it had frozen solid, The wind chill can take the smile of your face real quick....They tell me it will be late october before the lake is warm enough to swim in. I look forward to sailing Lake Jindabyne in the summer It may be a hidden gem, My first sail there saw me launching of wind chop that was up to 1/2 mast high, It could be our own Hood River....I'll let you guys know.

Gestalt
QLD, 14969 posts
29 Jun 2010 11:41PM
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