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Slalom board vs the rest

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Created by Macroscien > 9 months ago, 12 Feb 2013
Macroscien
QLD, 6809 posts
12 Feb 2013 10:34PM
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I just bought my first slalom board ( JP VIII 118L)

What could be different in comparison to my all other all rounders boards ?

What is specifically distinctive about slalom boards ?

silvec01
WA, 645 posts
12 Feb 2013 10:08PM
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You will see !!!!

elmo
WA, 8896 posts
13 Feb 2013 6:33AM
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Ride em like you stole em

Windxtasy
WA, 4019 posts
13 Feb 2013 9:56AM
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Macroscien said...

I just bought my first slalom board ( JP VIII 118L)

What could be different in comparison to my all other all rounders boards ?

What is specifically distinctive about slalom boards ?



Slalom boards go upwind better, are faster (in the right hands), more technical to sail, less comfortable in chop.

sboardcrazy
NSW, 8351 posts
13 Feb 2013 1:31PM
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Windxtasy said...
Macroscien said...

I just bought my first slalom board ( JP VIII 118L)

What could be different in comparison to my all other all rounders boards ?

What is specifically distinctive about slalom boards ?



Slalom boards go upwind better, are faster (in the right hands), more technical to sail, less comfortable in chop.


Mmm I like to idea of getting upwind better but less comfort in chop would be a deal breaker for me..

Haggar
QLD, 1670 posts
13 Feb 2013 1:05PM
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........ be over powered then bear away ......... you will love it

evlPanda
NSW, 9207 posts
14 Feb 2013 3:23PM
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Disclaimer: I've ridden one once. Which might actually make for a good comparison.

They are light. Holy crap they are light. You'll start planing before you are even ready to get your feet in the first time. It's like they take off without you. Then they accelerate away like nothing else I've ridden. Definitely power up wind faster and higher than a FreeRide or FSW etc., I think it's the lack of drag that keep the apparent wind pumping through and you can really push on the fin. GET A DECENT FIN, if not already. They fly upwind really high, really easy.

And then off the wind... sheesh! This was at Kyeemagh (SYD airport) by the way on a NE so I got the full flat run down the side of the runway. NEEEEEeeeooooooooooowwwww!!!!! K-kk kk-k -k k -kkkk -k k k k WHoooooooosh!!!!!!
Does that explain it?

I found gybing to be a non issue after some apprehension about how technical they were. I don't know what you're talking about.

I found it a little rough in the chop, but, because of the speed you could simply put more weight under the sail and kinda float over the worst bits anyway.

Overall: A lot more fun than it may appear. I think mostly due to being able to be powered up a lot more of the time than on, say, a wave board. For blasting in a straight line there's nothing like it. More exhilarating than a fast car.


cammd
QLD, 4495 posts
14 Feb 2013 3:14PM
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Agree with the above comments I have a freeride and a fsw and I bought a 110lt slalom just over a year ago now I want to trade the other 2 in on a smaller slalom so I can have two.

doggie
WA, 15849 posts
14 Feb 2013 1:35PM
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Could you learn on one of these boards if it had enough volume?

Windxtasy
WA, 4019 posts
14 Feb 2013 2:05PM
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doggie said...
Could you learn on one of these boards if it had enough volume?


As Panda says, it's like they take off without you, so not the best for learners. You need to be able to get hooked in and get your feet in the straps quickly.

ejmack
VIC, 1308 posts
14 Feb 2013 5:20PM
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Windxtasy said...
doggie said...
Could you learn on one of these boards if it had enough volume?


As Panda says, it's like they take off without you, so not the best for learners. You need to be able to get hooked in and get your feet in the straps quickly.


Or get in your straps first and then hook in!

doggie
WA, 15849 posts
14 Feb 2013 2:47PM
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ejmack said...
Windxtasy said...
doggie said...
Could you learn on one of these boards if it had enough volume?


As Panda says, it's like they take off without you, so not the best for learners. You need to be able to get hooked in and get your feet in the straps quickly.


Or get in your straps first and then hook in!


A mate has got a couple, not sure what size they are plus heaps of rigs etc.
I thought it would be a cheap way to get started

jmetcher
QLD, 144 posts
14 Feb 2013 6:21PM
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doggie said...
Could you learn on one of these boards if it had enough volume?


Aside from anything else they tend to be expensive and fragile. A beginner is pretty likely to do some serious damage to the nose.

Macroscien
QLD, 6809 posts
14 Feb 2013 6:34PM
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jmetcher said...
doggie said...
Could you learn on one of these boards if it had enough volume?


Aside from anything else they tend to be expensive and fragile. A beginner is pretty likely to do some serious damage to the nose.

What about nose protector? Should I have one before even try to ride it?
Not sure if JP provide a such for boards that is designed for advanced sailors anyway...

doggie
WA, 15849 posts
14 Feb 2013 4:42PM
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jmetcher said...
doggie said...
Could you learn on one of these boards if it had enough volume?


Aside from anything else they tend to be expensive and fragile. A beginner is pretty likely to do some serious damage to the nose.


Agree with ya but they are just sitting there not being used, they look very old maybe 10+ years.

Macroscien
QLD, 6809 posts
14 Feb 2013 6:43PM
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evlPanda said...

I found it a little rough in the chop, but, because of the speed you could simply put more weight under the sail and kinda float over the worst bits anyway.


As you know our chop could be quite high on Shearwater, meaning that you need rather fly over it. So I wonder how easy or not the board will be to control in horizontal flight. This board is quite big but still much at ( 235 cm ) shorter that my wave and cross boards. (249 -259 cm)

Ian K
WA, 4170 posts
14 Feb 2013 4:54PM
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A bit of exaggeration going on here, one or two knots in it at most. The placebo effect will however have you sailing five or six knots faster.

stanly
QLD, 307 posts
14 Feb 2013 7:09PM
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Haggar said...
........ be over powered then bear away ......... you will love it


and that feeling in your gut when you do this?... you will get used to it...or not

FormulaNova
WA, 15106 posts
14 Feb 2013 6:26PM
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Ian K said...
A bit of exaggeration going on here, one or two knots in it at most. The placebo effect will however have you sailing five or six knots faster.


I don't know Ian. I bought an s-type in WA one year and went from 25/26 knots to 30 something, sailing in the same spot. Maybe it was the placebo effect, but those placebo tablets sure seemed to make a difference :)

This year I took a 125L iSonic that I bought from Pete, over to WA, and it was my light wind board. It felt like it planed in next to nothing, whereas my 138L freeride board just couldn't seem to get over the non-planing hump. It really felt like a small Formula board to sail, and went up wind like a champion.

Then again, maybe Pete trained the iSonic to sail, and I was just along for the ride?

gavnwend
WA, 1374 posts
14 Feb 2013 7:27PM
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Slalom are'nt for the fainthearted as i found out when i brought my first one 96 litre j.p it throw my off like a rag-do'll. They are rockets in their Elements especially dumping the outhaul on a slalom Sail on a downwinder in high winds scary stuff. That's what we buy for you do get use to em.Happy Sailing.

Simon100
QLD, 490 posts
14 Feb 2013 10:34PM
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there definitely a few knots faster but it feels like heaps more because they skip along the top of the water alot more the up wind is heaps better too. Just make sure you use the rite fin and sail with it , thats a big sail with lots of down haul .

Macroscien
QLD, 6809 posts
14 Feb 2013 10:42PM
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What about sails for slalom board ?
Should I use cam racing sails ?
I have 2 in bigger sizes - 8.0 RAM and 6.7 Severne then 5.0 KA
or camless will be as good ?

To be fair found the big RAM a bit heavy when gybing, means a bit more difficult to flip, but that could be also TOW issue.

stanly
QLD, 307 posts
14 Feb 2013 11:12PM
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Macroscien said...
What about sails for slalom board ?
Should I use cam racing sails ?
I have 2 in bigger sizes - 8.0 RAM and 6.7 Severne then 5.0 KA
or camless will be as good ?

To be fair found the big RAM a bit heavy when gybing, means a bit more difficult to flip, but that could be also TOW issue.


Before I got a Hawk I was successfully using a 5.4 x-type(no cams), 6.6 s-type (cams) and 7.8 GP(cams) on a Fanatic Ray 125L with appropriate size fins.
You'll find as soon as you get in the straps it's like putting the pedal to the metal on a sports car. I'd recommend putting the straps all the way out and back - it gives you more control and you can feel the fin when it starts to spin out when pointing hard up wind. If you find you start spinning out a lot when pointing high up wind move the back straps forward a touch.

PhilSWR
NSW, 1104 posts
15 Feb 2013 12:41AM
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I recently bought a slalom board- an F2 SX 106- which i primarily use with a 6.6 cambered sail. Coming straight from the comfort of a FSW with spongy wave sails the SX is quite challenging to ride. Agreed with all the above, these things take off like rockets- that takes some getting use to. But the biggest challege for me at least has been the rear foot strap. It just seems oddly placed compared the verticle stance on the FSW. It seems the only time you should put your foot in it is once you're fully powered up- which is scary...lol Anyway, yep definitly fast, plane super easy, gybing doesn't seem any harder than the FSW, but the foot strap position on some models may take some getting use to. Happy with mine but would still like (prefer?) as fast freeride board of the same volume.

westhammer
WA, 507 posts
15 Feb 2013 12:47AM
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It can be costly jumping them Mac,but once you master jumping them Mac,it can still be costly but not as costly Mac,,,its like walking on air and floating like a butterfly,,,they can turn on a sixpence,,,sharp rails going in to slightly rounded rear end works,,,selective ramps plays a big part in not snapping them in half..Throttle on throttle off, hold the head up high and look ahead.

gregwed
QLD, 556 posts
15 Feb 2013 9:44AM
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I agree with the first comment "You will see"
I just did the same as you, have had freeride boards for the past 15 or so years, and just brought a 90L Exocet Warp Slalom (2008 model). Main board has been 2010 JP Xcite 110L, so moving from that to a 90L slalom at 62 yrs, is a big step. But I think its been a positive one - its faster and more exciting, but how much, dunno as I don't have a GPS. I think fin and sail combinations make a bit difference, so you may need some trials to work out the best combination. I've only had 3 sails so far then stacked the board with a harness hook through the deck due to hitting some flood debris, so board is still in for repair. Can't wait to get back on it to continue my learning path. Will have to say its tougher on the legs/ankles but that could be my age!!
Good luck, you'll enjoy it, takes sailing to a new level!
Cheers

felixdcat
WA, 3519 posts
15 Feb 2013 11:45AM
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gregwed said...
I agree with the first comment "You will see"
I just did the same as you, have had freeride boards for the past 15 or so years, and just brought a 90L Exocet Warp Slalom (2008 model). Main board has been 2010 JP Xcite 110L, so moving from that to a 90L slalom at 62 yrs, is a big step. But I think its been a positive one - its faster and more exciting, but how much, dunno as I don't have a GPS. I think fin and sail combinations make a bit difference, so you may need some trials to work out the best combination. I've only had 3 sails so far then stacked the board with a harness hook through the deck due to hitting some flood debris, so board is still in for repair. Can't wait to get back on it to continue my learning path. Will have to say its tougher on the legs/ankles but that could be my age!!
Good luck, you'll enjoy it, takes sailing to a new level!
Cheers


I am returning to the sport and had an Isonic........ was too hard for me to enjoy sold it and got an Xcite how did you find yours??? mine is a 160 as I am now a bit fatter than when I was surfing way back!

ejmack
VIC, 1308 posts
15 Feb 2013 3:36PM
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Macroscien said...

I just bought my first slalom board ( JP VIII 118L)

What could be different in comparison to my all other all rounders boards ?

What is specifically distinctive about slalom boards ?




I think the biggest difference is being so far out on the rails. I guess as many have said, being well powered up is the key as I find if your under powered it can at times be an uncomfortable stance to hold. I find my board handles the chop rather well as long as your powered. I came from a freerace board. I don't think my speeds have increased much but I am always sailing in rough conditions where a freerace board is probably just as quick. I've had some of the BEST days on my slalom board, they just feel fantastic when you get it all tuned right, and some real shockers where nothing feels right!

Ian K
WA, 4170 posts
15 Feb 2013 1:13PM
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ejmack said...
Macroscien said...

I just bought my first slalom board ( JP VIII 118L)

What could be different in comparison to my all other all rounders boards ?

What is specifically distinctive about slalom boards ?




I think the biggest difference is being so far out on the rails. I guess as many have said, being well powered up is the key as I find if your under powered it can at times be an uncomfortable stance to hold. I find my board handles the chop rather well as long as your powered. I came from a freerace board. I don't think my speeds have increased much but I am always sailing in rough conditions where a freerace board is probably just as quick. I've had some of the BEST days on my slalom board, they just feel fantastic when you get it all tuned right, and some real shockers where nothing feels right!


I agree sailing underpowered in chop is very uncomfortable, and you don't really want to be too overpowered in chop either. Does it justify having sails 0.5 metres apart?

Macroscien
QLD, 6809 posts
15 Feb 2013 3:37PM
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Ian K said...
I agree sailing underpowered in chop is very uncomfortable,

I come to same conclusion.. so I do try always slightly bigger sail...well tuned so could release a bit of excess power in the gusts...
rather then sail too small that power in the gusts then stuck in the lools...

The external comparison is that: ie some people did complain that today wasn't enough wind and plenty of lools... but for me was steady , strong wind with manageable gusts...

on another had that may effect that control, and what works on my slow boards may not be true on new fast board....

gregwed
QLD, 556 posts
15 Feb 2013 6:11PM
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Hey Felix - re the JP Xcite - I really like mine, being the 110 its pretty light and gets me up planning pretty quick and its very stable in most conditions. I have tried the bigger models but find them a bit sluggish. Maybe when I get older and can keep up this sport, I may revert to a larger size, time and body condition will tell!!!
Cheers



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