Last weekend in Singapore we had 2 Big Sail Days in a row. The Formula smartypantses were hooning around happily, while all of us proper windsurfers were slogging up and down, "practicing".
I had up til now intended to stick to my 130litre, 65cm wide freeride board and 2 sails - a 6.5 and a new 8.5 Ezzy, which for a big guy like me are quite small sails for Singapore. I can maybe get one good planing day a month, or two if I'm lucky, and this means sailing all day every Sat and Sun just in case the wind picks up. I don't want to lose all my hard-earned balance and gybing ability by switching to a "Door Board", but sometimes the allure of planing effortlessly is too much to bear?
Should I bite the bullet and invest in an 11m sail and 100cm wide board? Or am I too cool for that now?
Advice, please!
If it means you sail more, do it! I have thought about this as well, as we have many similar days where the lighter guys on big gear are planning up and down the lake and i am drifting around the lake telling myself ' liight sailing is good for your technique'
do it!
If you have somewhere to store the board without wrecking it then get one. If formula sailing is popular there then you should be able to pick up some second hand gear for a reasonable cost.
I'd do the same as Sydney has bugger all wind usually (blowing strong now but at work). However I don't have anywhere to store a door board.
I'd reckon the skills you build up on formula gear would be transferrable to stronger wind sailing.
ain't no way sailing formula is wussing out!!!!!
most people that don't like it or complain about it not broad reaching etc are because they either haven't done it or were to scared to drive the beast hard. ![]()
formula sailing is adrenaline packed and does require a different technique to slalom.
i have been doing this 130lt board and 8.5m sail thing for a while and gotta say that 8.5m and formula board is a better option in my books.
you don't need an 11m sail to sail formula. although it is better. just get a formula board, whack on your 8.5 sail and go sailing. you will still plane in 8 knots.
i think the ideal combination is formula board and 95-85lt wave board. covers every outcome.
*sigh* I may have to do it...I actually sailed formula gear reasonable competently for a year or so before going to Oz in 2007, but when I changed to the smaller gear I couldn't even gybe for 6 months... however, I guess it's ok if you still keep in practice with the smaller kit, yeah?
It's often quite marginal for me here, so Gestalt is right in saying I could probably plane with my 8.5 and a Formula board, especially a low-end-grunt sail like the Ezzy Freeride. Hmmm... I think I thunk a good thought...
I'd say go ahead and do it. The more time you spend on the water, the better your sailing skills will get.
Getting the tuning right on large sails makes a huge difference, and once learned this will translate to your smaller sails, and improve your small board sailing.
Formula boards need to be gybed reasonably aggressively to keep them planing, so this too will improve your small board sailing.
Say g'day to the Singapore crew for me. I raced with them in Malaysia earlier this year. Just be careful of the "Burger man" ![]()
I think your "wussing out" by not getting a formula board. Formula sailing is much more adrenalin pumped then sailing a 130ltr freeride, my mum sails a 130 litre freeride!!
Try hanging onto an 11m sail and a 70cm fin in 20knots, this sorts the men from the boys. If there are other guys on formula gear then you can race aswell, you improve heaps more when you race against people.
At the end of the day time on water is what counts, dont waste your time drifting!
I tried an frineds's Exocet raceboard last week (kind if a cheaper version of RS:X, a slightly long 255 litre formula board with a daggerboard and 8 footstraps) and a 10.5m sail made by some wierd English sailmaker... it was crazy, I was planing in NO wind, like if somebody farts in Darwin I'm powered up...but it handled like a bulldozer, honestly I think I'd go crazy sailing one of those things..
> Or am I too cool for that now?
Well at least you're introspecting, that's good.
Here on the Great Lakes, plenty of guys "too cool" for the conditions. Plenty of gear on the trailers, seldom go out, talk about great achievements that may or may not have happened since they sail so little that the skills ain't quite there when they go.
That's not couth (??).
If you can afford the space in the basement, then do get that form gear indeed. Or get into lighter wind freestyle on a wrecker board.
I bought a Fanatic Falcon Formula and an 11sqm Simmer and a 12.3sqm Yes a little while ago; best single thing I've done for 'my' windsurfing, full stop
Willy, I have been told by some that with the right slalom board and sail, you can plane almost as early as formulae kit. To me a slalom board would be more fun then a formulae board, have you considered this ? Micah Buzianis wrote an article in the 2007 May edition of Windsurf and said he could get planing in 7 knts of wind with a 9.8 metre RS6 and a 134 litre JP slalom board, he could get planing on his formulae kit in 6knts. Something to consider ![]()
How heavy are you ? I am lucky to be super light (just above 60Kg) and I am easy planning with my Inspiro AHD 130 l and NPryde 7m2 at arround 12/14 knts.
And you probably don't wear a huge wetsuit full of water like here in Tassie. Water here is under 14 degC now, and we had frost this morning !
Personally. i love the fact that my Formula equipment doesn't sit in the garage, it gets used almost every weekend. (Makes it very easy to justify the investment).
The days of waiting for perfect conditions are gone. I also believe that the skills you develop using larger equipment has an enormously positive influence over your other windsurfing.
I also believe that once you learn to sail up & down-wind and explore more, it is very difficult to go back to a purely reaching.
I love the fact that Formula is a legitimate sport with a fantastic Local, National, and International scene that caters for all ages and experience.
In fact if you are serious about improving your windsurfing, you might consider getting involve in things like FE+ (Formula Experience Plus)?
Regards
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Hmm...I'm a heavyweight (80-90kgs depending on fitness level).
I've tried a 9.4 on my 130 litre freeride but it sucks. I sailed formula a lot in the past but I honestly don't think it helped my "normal" windsufing much, and in fact using such a wide board made my balance and reactions get worse.
I'm not proposing sitting on the beach waiting for good wind. I'll sail all day as long as there's 3 or 4 knots or so. My dilemma was just this:
-Whether to sail my freeride and too-small sails (6.5 & 8.5) all day long, practicing lite wind gybes, tacks and freestyle...hopefully becoming a much better sailor by next year, when I'll go off to Vietnam again.
-OR buy a Door Board and an 11 metre sail and get to plane heaps, possibly to the detriment of my shortboard skills...
with this freaky weather wetwilly by the time you get to Vietnam, Singapore will be windy just as murphy's law on windsurfing..when you de-rig for a nowinder it starts to be windy![]()
"I sailed formula a lot in the past but I honestly don't think it helped my "normal" windsufing much" - Has shortboard sailing helped your Formula windsurfing any at all?
You need to redefine what is "normal". If you allow Formula to become your normal, then all is good and you will sleep at night again.
I have sailed Formula for a few years now, done a lot of events and am now the undisputed owner of the rear end of the fleet. But I love it, I love the competition, the buzz at the start, the struggle to get on the plane in dirty wind, the thrill I get out of getting the layline right, the heartbreak of undershooting the bottom mark, the pain of the major crash etc etc. I get off the water and know I am alive, albeit shattered.
This year I bought a smaller board and sails to do some "normal windsurfing", and to be honest I am now regretting it. I am certainly no better at "normal" then I am at Formula, and hope to pull off a gybe soon! But I look at the weather and pray (figuratively, not literally) for 10-15kts so I can use my Formula board.
So - what do you want to do? Plane lots and get TOW in lighter winds - then take a frank look at the windstrength and use the most appropriate gear. Dont let your definition of "Normal" prevent you from making the correct choice.
JB