Lofty you and your maritime rules and other complicating dribble.
Were in the surf DOOD (your dangling like a pedulium ,and i dont even think you know what tack your on, whilst you dangle your opinions and complicate the basic in and out rules surfers and windsurfers have used and understood which have worked and continue to do so .
and has been well explained in this fourm topic with a couple of different bites ..........
Basically IF YOU DONT GET IT stay down wind or way up wind and kept out of everyone elses way.
As for my question
self preservation has to be a priority the up wind sailor has as much right to smack it as the down wind sailor 
..........BUT the self preservation rule and golden rule is .......the up wind sailor has the priority to hit the A simply for the reason if he flyes down wind off the lip or lets his rig go you as the down wind sailor are taking the chance of being taken out
If the up wind sailor turns towards you
1 You can turn off the wind with him smacking your back hand prior to his arrival and or
2 consider totally flicking out(true gentelman respector of the joy of leaving a clean dragon tail for your commrade to graffiety his name on)
3hold your line and head straight in clearly indicating to the up wind sailor you intend to go straight so he avoids you.
A couple of weeks back with only a few people out (windsurfing) a local chick had a head on at speed with a euro and sustained serious shoulder and arm injury some 500m out the back and was close to being knocked out.She was unable to sail and or retrieve her equipment. The euros boom arm was ripped off.[/b]
^^^^^^^^so why didnt the local or tourist give way????Playing chicken??
or was the local useing sailing rules whilst the euro was useing surfing rules???
Do you understand the problem yet , why saltiest1 has asked the question.
good to see the love flow 
fyi, ive been surfing 36 years, sailing biggish boats for 16, windsurfing for 4 years, freediving for 21 years, keeping out of trouble for 16. I am 39.
I would like to propose my exception to the 'upwind sailor having right of way on the wave' rule..
When it's a 1foot wave at coronations on the inside and I'm using the wave to crank upwind and there is some douchebag upwind motioning at a bottom turn, he can kiss my ass, the wave is 1foot high, I'm using it to get upwind..
Barn ...At coros there is that exception but the up wind sailor needs to be considered and his intentions stand you will take a chance a beginner or pro will call you off and turn at you 1fot or 10 foot..... so my point still stands.
one wave one person one love
Other secrets ,get out first NO CROWD DO AS YOU WISH ,sail by your self AT secret locations to tune your moves hitting everything and everything so when your with a crowd your not so amped to wack everything risking collisions ,sail late after the suns down 
as im unable 
some one do the calculations 
If say you have 80 windsurfers 40 out the back and 40 on the inside who each go in and out say 50 times over the day how may head on collisions could occur in the day ? a week a month 
crazy theres not more bingles .............all considered
well said decrepit (got learn how to cut paste here)
Rules are for fools and the wise interperate
dont we all venture into the ocean to be free of the tap on the shoulder
Mark, of course I will use discretion if the upwind guy is a novice, my exception was for one guy!, just covering my ass in case he starts it again..
I'm not proposing we all sail around with a rule book, I'm just pointing out that world wide the guy heading out has right of way no exception, and its there call where they sail (if he chooses to make way for old buddy on the wave fantastic)..And you're all backwards at Avalon, and don't try and spread it anywhere else!!
This came up after a google search!! I think the guy that ran into me in 07 probably read this before he flew out from Italy!
from 2007
mauisurfreport.blogspot.com/2010/11/wave-priorities-links.html
this description of wave ROW makes sense to me.....
they arent "flicky spinny"
i like to think of them as
"slidey whiplash pop hops"
or
"lifty rotating slashes"
or simply
"the ultimate flat water slay"
haha ok by popular demand flicky spinny stays.. Ill try again in another ten years!!
Really easy-
Maritime rules apply until you are in the break.
Then going out has right of way, but not to the point of being discourteous (ie: if you are heading out, and you can let the guy enjoy his waveride and still get out just fine, don't make him give way to you just cos he has to give way according to the rules.)
I think this has been considered the Australian rules as Mark has stated, setting yourself up for the perfect DTL can be ten times harder than running out for a jump unless underpowered!
Glad you agree Zach.
How come other people have so much trouble with this concept?
Is it mainly people who don't have DTL conditions, where jumping is the main focus?
Im not sure decrep but can i start another topic debate by saying jumping is a ****load easier than sailing DTL
I think everyone's forgetting the most important rule of surf safety
which is
Keep away from Elmo, he's a muppet
wouldnt it be common sense to take each potential collision as it comes? risk assessment is what its called. if it looks like it may hit the fan then dont do it, show some respect and courtesy, be it jumping or dtl.
I love jumping and sometimes find as you stated that you may only have the chance for that one perfect ramp for the day/trip/summer (which is why maritme rules apply) but also realise each situation must be considered and quite often i will downwind 20m to jump to allow the guy who has worked his butt off to get in the right spot at the right time to smash it, this timing must be perfect, not like a jump!
To Hell with rules and safety and guidelines I'm changing everything.
If I'm on my 3 year old water proof core indestructible blue pig board I have right of way all the time in any situation
BUT
If I'm on my brand new pristine freshly made board, you all have right of way anytime in any situation.
I remember asking right of way rules on this site 5 years ago and got quoted sailing/maritime rules.
When I said that it dosent really work in the waves, I was told that it dosent matter if there are waves breaking or not, you ALWAYS stick to the sailing rules.
Now that Im saying,stick to the sailng rules,,the same one or two are saying I dont know what Im on about,its different in the waves,even though 5 years ago the sailing rules were not to be broken......How things of changed,,eh..
Thats why I was saying I didnt want marks opinion,
because he was the one back then argueing that maritime rules MUST be followed no matter what,,followed by some comment about kiters always being in the way because they dont know the sailing rules etc..
Or maybe he just likes to troll and disagree with a kiteboarder wheather he agrees or not?????
Interesting.
