Gun laws in the USA.

Let's all have a go at beaglebuddy and the yanks, come on give it your best.

I thought we already did?

Oh all right then ...................... Stick your pop guns up clacker

George W Bush walks into a bar with a chimpanzee on his shoulder.
Bartender says: "You can't bring that ape in here"
The Chimp says: "Aw C'mon, the guy's practically house trained"

Don't take it personally BB, we are trying to have an intelligent conversation about an incident we have no first hand knowledge of, and a culture and country most of us have never been to (me included). Everyone on here is an expert at everything, I'm pretty sure that's in the Seabreeze constitution.

If that doesn't work we rely on sledging and taking the piss out of each other (constantly), something your namesake should be familiar with . Hell this topic got to six pages before the jokes started, normally is takes about two hours and half a page, that's got to be a new record?

I wonder if NASA astronauts were carring guns on the Moon mission.
Just in case they will approach insubordinate locals
The must be also good arsenal at International Space Station, at such crowded place strange things could happen and you just could not wait too long for police to arrive

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Interesting vid showing what can happen when you disarm good citizens before the criminals. Same thing may have happened in Colorado.



FWIW, Australia's gun laws over-regulate firearm ownership. Considering we have a licencing and firearm registration system, diversion of firearms to the black market isn't an issue here. I'd appreciate being trusted to own a simple 4-5 shot semi-auto shotgun, or a .22 semi-auto. Instead of being treated as an untrustworthy citizen with proto-criminal status (in my view this is as much the media's fault as the governments).

Ummm.... Not really...

Lisa Nowak, the nappy lady...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisa_Nowak



Lisa Marie Nowak (n?e Caputo) (born May 10, 1963) is a former American naval flight officer and NASA astronaut. Born in Washington, D.C., she was selected by NASA in 1996 and qualified as a mission specialist in robotics. Nowak flew aboard Space Shuttle Discovery during the STS-121 mission in July 2006, where she was responsible for operating the robotic arms of the shuttle and the International Space Station.
Nowak gained international attention on February 5, 2007, when she was arrested in Orlando, Florida, and subsequently charged with the attempted kidnapping of U.S. Air Force Captain Colleen Shipman, who was romantically involved with astronaut William Oefelein. Nowak was released on bail, and initially pleaded not guilty to the charges, which included attempted kidnapping, burglary with assault, and battery. Her assignment to the space agency as an astronaut was terminated by NASA effective March 8, 2007. On November 10, 2009, Nowak agreed to a plea deal with prosecutors and pleaded guilty to charges of felony burglary of a car and misdemeanor battery.



The good bit

Nowak drove from Houston to Orlando, Florida, on February 4-5, 2007. She packed latex gloves, a black wig, a BB pistol and ammunition, pepper spray, a hooded tan trench coat, a 2-pound drilling hammer, black gloves, rubber tubing, plastic garbage bags, approximately $585 (USD) in cash, her computer, an 8-inch (20 cm) Gerber folding knife and several other items before driving the 900 miles (1,400 km) to Florida. Early police reports indicated she wore diapers during the trip, but she later denied wearing them.[19][20] On February 5, 2007, Nowak went to the Orlando International Airport, waited for about an hour in the baggage claim, and then proceeded to the airport parking lot, where she located and confronted Shipman, who had just arrived from Houston by plane.[21]
Shipman said that after arriving, she was aware of someone following her to an airport satellite parking area.[22] When she got into her car, she heard running footsteps and quickly locked the door. Nowak slapped the window and tried to open the car door, asked for a ride, then started crying. Shipman rolled down the window a couple of inches after which Nowak sprayed the pepper spray into the car. Shipman drove off to the parking lot booth where police were summoned. Several Orlando Police Department officers arrived minutes later, with the first officer observing Nowak throwing a bag into the trash at a parking shuttle bus stop. Nowak was subsequently arrested at Orlando International Airport on charges of attempted kidnapping, battery, attempted vehicle burglary with battery, and destruction of evidence.[23][24][25][26] In a handwritten request for a restraining order against Nowak after her arrest, Shipman referred to Nowak as an acquaintance of a boyfriend but did not identify Oefelein, and also claimed Nowak had been stalking her for two months.[27] Nowak told investigators she was involved in a relationship with Oefelein which she described as being "more than a working relationship but less than a romantic relationship." Citing evidence of elaborate planning, disguises and weapons, police recommended she be held without bail.[27][28][29][30]

They decided they shouldn't be in the community as it is safer for the community as a whole, guns can be stolen like any other item so the idea is that they take them out of circulation all together and then tere is a lower likelyhood of them falling into unsafe hands.

No one is judging you as a criminal (actually quite the opposite, they have given you a gun license),they are just lessening the likelyhood they will fall into criminal hands.

Marlin xt22 is a great rifle and good value for the price.

Hopefully you didn't get the cheaper version of the level shotty IAC if I remember correctly as it is prone to jamming. Cant remember if it was IAC or Chiappa but one of them sucks...

Sorry mate... Hope you chose well..

Im actually glad you reminded me, had a laugh remembering the news coverage



As for the dangers involved with different types of guns; I have a pump action .308win in the safe thats accurate and fatal at 500+ m and spits out 5 projectiles pretty quick, but can't have a shotgun with the same number of shots thats generally less than lethal at 50 yards. My issue with the ban is that it was a blanket ban, irrespective of the putative threat to public safety. Including shotguns (less than 5 round capacity) and low powered rifles (.22lr) was over stepping the objectives of increasing public safety in many a peoples view.

Why do you say that Doggie? As he said, all of those (except #6) have already happened - last century in fact. Between Adolph and Joseph they became common place, and the citizens were disarmed in the lead-up.

As for #6, have a look at the Chinese one child policy, and what happens there. #6 is all but happening too.

I had never been enamoured with Yanks, but I must say that most of my preconceptions were completely shattered after a couple of month long trips there. Their football game is still crap though .

I think beaglebuddy is the guy that WRITES those chain emails that get regurgitated on this site.

Why is it that you can have a perfectly normal conversation with these right wingers, then after about 5 minutes they just suddenly flip into some kind of weird, irrational crap about how "they're coming to get us", "they're taking over", "The governments our enemy", the "UN", the "Jews", 9/11, fricken "lizard people"

Have they worked out that if you put up a crappy argument not based in any fact then you probably lose the argument?.......but if you put up an irrational, unscientific load of old cobblers...... then you cant be defeated.

exhibit A...Pete!

Uh.... all of these things save one of them have already happened on a large scale, how does that make them irrational, unscientific crap and not based on any fact? Are you denying that these things have and continue to happen?
AR15, SKS, ak47 are not large caliber high power weapons.
Hell is defined as a place without reason.

You've obviously missed my point, so I'll ask a different question:

Why do many Americans feel the "need" to own military style/grade weapons such as AK47/AR15/SKS or similar weapons, indeed larger calibre/more powerful weapons?

Rights to own acknowledged, but what's the actual "need" to own?

And please, don't tell me that deer/bear/feral animals need to be hunted with such weapons....