Straight and proud? Politic correctness flipside

Mark, so if they're "interested" is it OK. I don't know if your intentionally misrepresenting the situation or you really don't understand. So here's the argument: In an attempt to try to make society a fairer place for all citizens, schemes of "positive discrimination" or "quotas" or whatever have been used around the world to attempt to make workplaces an equal playing field. Women are discriminated against in the workplace. White, middle class, men are in the driving seat in the workplace, NOT women. Men are the dominant group in the boardroom NOT women. Women are discriminated against in the workplace through promotion , pay and expectation. Selection panels made up of men tend to select men for the job over equally credentialed women. Old predjudices have proven more difficult to end than once thought and I'm someone who wants to see a fair go for all members of society, aren't you? Surely you would want your wife or daughter to have the ability to fulfill they're talent, without having to cope with a UN level playing field. So Quotas could be a good thing, yeah?. Your idea that somehow unwilling women are pushed into the boardroom to accept the role of CEO even though they're "not interested" is just plain funny. And, sorry why can't we have Sikhs or Muslims in the police or the fire brigades? Would they're Turbans not fit under the fire helmets or something? I know, it must be very upsetting to you to have a female Governor General, but also for her to bring up Quotas for other women. But society moves forward for the better. I don't want to give you a migraine or anything but when will we have our first Muslim woman as Governor General

Something that I directly experience in the IT industry is a f*cked up culture that women do not want to be a part of.
It is sad and frustrating to watch the existing (men) people in a group change their behaviours, sometimes quite radically when women are working either nearby, or in the group.
It is no wonder that women do not want to be a part of this culture. The sad thing is, is that most of the incumbents do not want to change, because it suits them.

For examples of genuine ****ed up behaviours, we need to look no further than the regular assaults that happen at Linux Conferences - lwn.net/Articles/417952/


Back to the OP, if you want a mardi gras for straight people, organise it. Most of what I experience in today's AU culture, is that if you want something, then unless you run afoul of some law, it will be accepted.

I think it might be called a football riot

... and those guys in the boats, and the landsailors too. Hell even the SUP guys.

Muslims and Hindus are not a racial mix, that's a Religious mix. Why does nobody get this.


ITT: poor oppressed white males, just wanting their fair share.


Worst forum ever.

Also: I hate pride in people. In general.

Women are not equal to men.

Most people notice the fundemental differences, Doggie in particular.

Neither are men equal to women.

It is a funny old thing but nature has provided us with a system of reproduction which affects us to the degree that we have entirely different bodies. The notion of virgin birth is one thing but I cannot see males giving birth for a long time, nor even wanting to.

The actual design of women also, funnily, seems to lean toward their being instinctively more likely to nurture. Now I do not know that many CEO's but the ones that I did know could hardly be described as nurturers. Ghengis Khan's would be more accurate.

Developing quotas is a nonsense.

For those who think it is not have a look at the likes of the women who have suceeded in politics and ask yourelf if this is a good thing, Julia Gillard, Hillary Clinton, Margeret Thatcher ..........................

The reason it gets forced on people is because government is a nonsense.

Japie, your basis for approving or disapproving of Quotas is based on a woman you used to work with and she was Gengis Khan, so therefore Quotas are "a nonsense"............oaky doaky then. And the argument is not about the biology of the sexes it is about giving all people the opportunity to fulfill their abilities. At the moment we are saying to our children, no, your wasting your time trying to become a CEO ......because your female. Here's a stat for you: out of the top 200 companies in Australia only 6 of them have women as their CEO. That's not right, agreed?

Mark, I think the Sikh or Muslim thing and the fire brigade is just a bit strange. NO ONE is suggesting there should be positive discrimination in the fire brigade or the Navy or whatever. And there are no government press gangs lurking around Mosques kidnapping Moosies and making them join the fire brigade. The whole point of quotas is to level the playing field. It is skewed badly at the moment, and it has been so for years. Your assertion that soon proper applicants will run short and women who are not up to scratch will get promotion seems a little hollow to me, lets see if that happens. I think there are plenty of women, well qualified, experienced, respected women that just get overlooked in the selection for boards and high management positions. Your assertion that I am "another person that mistakes realism for racism(sexism) is illuminating. It shows more about you that me, maybe. I'm definitely not going to just look at an issue of unfairness and just shrug my shoulders and go oh well that's just reality, that's just the way things are. We do have the ability to change course if we think something is unfair, don't we?

Yes, something is wrong.

If you were straight, you would probably not want a Mardi-Gras

If you are proud to say you want a Mardi-Gras, then you are probably not straight.


A party, a carnival, a street parade for the kiddies, a riot or a piss up maybe - but not Mardi-Gras.

Back to the topic at hand, i really think those participating in the Mardi Gras don't do themselves or their cause any favours. Flaunting the extremes of their lifestyle would not help us "outsiders" to accept them any easier. Same goes really for anything extreme, except sports of course. I know that this will stir up the anything goes, fence sitters, who think anybody should be allowed to do anything, anytime, however there needs to be boundries, we all have them.

There is part of Europe (Germany, France, Italy, Belgium etc....) that have a very big Mardi-Gras in fact the party start the Friday b4 Mardi-Gras and finish at Midnite Mardi -Gras . It is the day before lent start and I remember that was THE party to go and it was not reserved for gays why did the gay Hijacked Mardi GRas????

hey stupid people, its called and advertised as the GAY mardi gras...

yes mardi gras means carnival, traditionally held before lent as a last big festival before the fast

in bogan, sound bite, oi oi oi, culturally devoid australia, mardis gras might colloquially mean a bunch of fruits dancing down the street once a year

but

those of us can think and who are'nt jingoistic, chest beating, chinese made australian flag waving tools, with unit stickers on their cars understand this.

Lets have the windsurfers Mardi-Gras then and reclaim what belongs to the us! the people!

If I get passed over for a promotion because the boss has to fill a quota, can I sue for discrimination??

Equal opportunity means exactly that- equal.

The quota laws will not happen because of the risk of litigation.