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dolphin killing

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Created by ockanui > 9 months ago, 28 Aug 2011
ockanui
VIC, 1321 posts
28 Aug 2011 11:29PM
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I just watched the 'Cove" movie, I am absolutely appalled at the the killing of thousands of dolphins as shown in Japan.
One wonders about how a "civilized" society like Japan allows this to continue. The lies and propaganda that surrounds this situation is also evident in the lack of acknowledgment of the radiation that has leaked from the ****ishima plant.
The Japanese people are pawns in the corruption that seemingly is endemic in all levels of the system of Government, bravo to the people behind the making of that movie and exposing the failure of understanding and reason

badinfluence
QLD, 538 posts
28 Aug 2011 11:47PM
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sickening...and it just doesn't make sense!!
Agree...bravo to the people who made the doco happen. We need more people like them in the world.

FlySurfer
NSW, 4460 posts
29 Aug 2011 12:58AM
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badinfluence said...
We need more people like them in the world.


Not sure we need any more of any type of people.
Earth has X carrying capacity; more "people" = < everything else.

U thought The Cove was bad...


worrier
WA, 726 posts
29 Aug 2011 4:50AM
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Very long bow calling the Japanese a civilised people.
Pretty brutal culture, ask a few diggers their opinion.
I spend a bit of time in PNG and the Phillipines and they are not the most popular bunch around for good reasons.
There are a couple of monuments in Puerto Princessa in the Phillipines detailing some of the **** they pulled in the war. Very ugly ****.

W

Simondo
VIC, 8025 posts
29 Aug 2011 8:47AM
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I haven't seen that movie yet, but the dolphin slaughter in Japan has been going on for a very very long time. I remember first reading about it in the school library when I was about 13, some 25 years ago....

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolphin_drive_hunting

I was looking out over Corio Bay the other day, checking where to go for a distance SUp paddle. I was near Rippleside, and there is a guy doing about 70kph on his Ski (PWC), and then I notice 2 dolphins pop up just near him. He didn't see them at first.... 400m down, he turns around, and he's doing 70kph right back where he came from, back towards the dolphins that he didn't see. Then 1 surfaced just 20m ahead of him off to the left. So he backs off, turn around, and circles around them, just to watch the dolphins in nature.... But the clown just continued to circle them. I was pretty sure he was doing something illegal, so I rang the police. The police seemed to agree.... I told them I had to move on, they said fine. I said I didn't know where he launched from, and that he could move really quickly, and the girl said, "that's alright, they've just messaged back that they have a visual on him". Big Brother is always watching !!

Sailhack
VIC, 5000 posts
29 Aug 2011 9:32AM
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worrier said...

Very long bow calling the Japanese a civilised people.


True...they interviewed some of the public in the doco & they never knew it was happening! The Japanese media is highly censored, so it doesn't surprise me that most Japs wouldn't have a clue. It makes you wonder if the conspiracy nuts have a point (I'm referring to Japan only here guys) where the busy life in general is purposely designed to distract the masses from all these activities.

j murray
SA, 947 posts
29 Aug 2011 9:38AM
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NEVER................... believe your governments propaganda!!!!!

Always FIGHT for your beliefs and a better world.............. [}:)]

Even Australia has been in a state of suspension for 40 years

choco
SA, 4187 posts
29 Aug 2011 11:01AM
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That kills the myth that dolphins are smart! if this has been going on for over 25 years why wouldn't they avoid the area?

Sailhack
VIC, 5000 posts
29 Aug 2011 12:10PM
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choco said...

That kills the myth that dolphins are smart! if this has been going on for over 25 years why wouldn't they avoid the area?


Part of the doco mentioned a few neighbouring areas that used to do mass kills of dolphins, now they're the ones buying dolphins from Taiji.

felixdcat
WA, 3519 posts
29 Aug 2011 10:14AM
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Can't help to worry about the whaling fleet! Has it disappeared after the tsunami? Is it now moored in a rice field or maybe on the roof of one of the whaling factories?? Can only wish!
The Japs are very arrogant! Someone told me one day that they are the Germans of Asia (apologies to the Germans)!

jbshack
WA, 6913 posts
30 Aug 2011 11:18AM
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choco said...

That kills the myth that dolphins are smart! if this has been going on for over 25 years why wouldn't they avoid the area?


The Japanese fisherman kill the entire pod. So no one to teach the young to stay away. The killing season starts again on the 1st of September. They heard the entire pod in, take the ones they want to sell to aquariums like sea world, take the babies out and throw them in local tanks, (they normally only last a week or two before they die so they need to be recycled weekly) and the rest are cut up and sold as whale meat.

Also the dolphins travel this route as it they are following food sources. SO not a huge choice unfortunately.

jbshack
WA, 6913 posts
30 Aug 2011 11:19AM
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felixdcat said...

Can't help to worry about the whaling fleet! Has it disappeared after the tsunami? Is it now moored in a rice field or maybe on the roof of one of the whaling factories?? Can only wish!
The Japs are very arrogant! Someone told me one day that they are the Germans of Asia (apologies to the Germans)!



That would be nice but sadly most of the whaling fleet is still 100% intact..

ockanui
VIC, 1321 posts
30 Aug 2011 3:26PM
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In the movie, 'the cove' it was suggested that the dolphin meat sold, has a high mercury reading that makes the meat unsuitable for human consumption, that now will only be exacerbated by the toxic spills from the nuclear plant.
So I guess the old saying will be, "what goes round comes round" . Maybe apart from the dangers to health, the Japanese may become tourist attractions themselves, by their ability to glow in the dark, Am I being to harsh by saying its Karma?

felixdcat
WA, 3519 posts
30 Aug 2011 1:29PM
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^^^+5^^^
Save a whale, kill a glow jap!
We should pressure them to stop all that sensless killing in exchange for the fund collected for the tsunami relieve. [}:)]

doggie
WA, 15849 posts
30 Aug 2011 2:02PM
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ockanui said...

In the movie, 'the cove' it was suggested that the dolphin meat sold, has a high mercury reading that makes the meat unsuitable for human consumption, that now will only be exacerbated by the toxic spills from the nuclear plant.
So I guess the old saying will be, "what goes round comes round" . Maybe apart from the dangers to health, the Japanese may become tourist attractions themselves, by their ability to glow in the dark, Am I being to harsh by saying its Karma?


Not harsh at all imo. I thought it was funny that the fisheries guy that got the sack tested positive for mercury as well. I hope he is haunted by this until his death.

Where is barn? He will have some sort of convoluted opinion on the subject.

poor relative
WA, 9106 posts
30 Aug 2011 2:39PM
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I'll play the devils advocate.

Whats the difference between slaughtering dolphins in that manner to queuing up the cows at the slaughter house.
If eating dolphin meat and whale meat is sustainable why don't we do it?

When you see 'earthlings' you kinda feel everything is fair game cute or not.


"As often as Herman had witnessed the slaughter of animals and fish, he always had the same thought: in their behaviour towards creatures, all men were Nazis. The smugness with which man could do with other species as he pleased exemplified the most extreme racist theories, the principle that might is right."
— Isaac Bashevis Singer (Enemies, A Love Story)

Mobydisc
NSW, 9029 posts
30 Aug 2011 4:46PM
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poor relative said...

I'll play the devils advocate.

Whats the difference between slaughtering dolphins in that manner to queuing up the cows at the slaughter house.
If eating dolphin meat and whale meat is sustainable why don't we do it?

When you see 'earthlings' you kinda feel everything is fair game cute or not.



I have the same feelings Poor Relative. I think its a bit hypocritical for someone to criticise a people for killing sea mammals for food when their own people industrialise the production and killing of a huge number of land mammals for food.

Of course most people don't like to see animals being slaughtered. Thats why abbatoirs have big walls around them and why we call them something like abbatoirs or meatworks instead of what they really are, slaughter houses.







felixdcat
WA, 3519 posts
30 Aug 2011 2:50PM
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poor relative said...

I'll play the devils advocate.

Whats the difference between slaughtering dolphins in that manner to queuing up the cows at the slaughter house.
If eating dolphin meat and whale meat is sustainable why don't we do it?

When you see 'earthlings' you kinda feel everything is fair game cute or not.


"As often as Herman had witnessed the slaughter of animals and fish, he always had the same thought: in their behaviour towards creatures, all men were Nazis. The smugness with which man could do with other species as he pleased exemplified the most extreme racist theories, the principle that might is right."
— Isaac Bashevis Singer (Enemies, A Love Story)


We should eat Pandas as well it is a delicacy, tiger's penis is good too it is a shame we had all the moas in kiwiland and when it will be no whales left we could start eating the japs after we finish eating all the green banknotes!

poor relative
WA, 9106 posts
30 Aug 2011 2:55PM
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felixdcat said...
We should eat Pandas as well it is a delicacy, tiger's penis is good too



Why not. If we can breed enough pandas, tigers in captivity and farm them in a profitable fashion that is i guess sustainable why not?

felixdcat
WA, 3519 posts
30 Aug 2011 3:08PM
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poor relative said...

felixdcat said...
We should eat Pandas as well it is a delicacy, tiger's penis is good too



Why not. If we can breed enough pandas, tigers in captivity and farm them in a profitable fashion that is i guess sustainable why not?

Agree with you but we hardly farm a lot of dolphins and whales! Now for the japs..... lot of them on that small island...... nah they must be full of mercury and radioactive stuff!

poor relative
WA, 9106 posts
30 Aug 2011 3:13PM
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We don't farm tuna

doggie
WA, 15849 posts
30 Aug 2011 4:51PM
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poor relative said...

I'll play the devils advocate.

Whats the difference between slaughtering dolphins in that manner to queuing up the cows at the slaughter house.
If eating dolphin meat and whale meat is sustainable why don't we do it?

When you see 'earthlings' you kinda feel everything is fair game cute or not.


"As often as Herman had witnessed the slaughter of animals and fish, he always had the same thought: in their behaviour towards creatures, all men were Nazis. The smugness with which man could do with other species as he pleased exemplified the most extreme racist theories, the principle that might is right."
— Isaac Bashevis Singer (Enemies, A Love Story)



The term "endangered"(whales) comes to mind first off. We farm cows for other things other than meat.
To hell with it, lets start eating each other!

adolf
1862 posts
30 Aug 2011 5:48PM
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ockanui said...

I just watched the 'Cove" movie, I am absolutely appalled at the the killing of thousands of dolphins as shown in Japan.
One wonders about how a "civilized" society like Japan allows this to continue. The lies and propaganda that surrounds this situation is also evident in the lack of acknowledgment of the radiation that has leaked from the ****ishima plant.
The Japanese people are pawns in the corruption that seemingly is endemic in all levels of the system of Government, bravo to the people behind the making of that movie and exposing the failure of understanding and reason



Yes, I watched it too. I usually make a point of missing those doccos - I find them too sad - but I'm glad I watched it. Just makes me think how sick our society really is.

The one thing I didn't quite get was why they were feeding the dolphin to the school children knowing about the mercury content. Why were they doing that?

All this importing of food into Australia - brazillian oranges, Vietnamese prawns etc etc couldn't be good.

gnacco
NSW, 21 posts
31 Aug 2011 10:44AM
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Hey Guys,
here is "The Cove" full documentary in case you have missed it:



Tomorrow the dolphins slaughter in Japan is starting again and many people will protest worldwide.
If you want to partecipate follow the instructions on this link:
savedolphins.eii.org/campaigns/sjd/blog/post/celebrate-dolphin-day-coming-to-a-consulate-near-you1

Cheers
Gnacco

stamp
QLD, 2800 posts
31 Aug 2011 10:54AM
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doggie said...

poor relative said...

I'll play the devils advocate.

Whats the difference between slaughtering dolphins in that manner to queuing up the cows at the slaughter house.
If eating dolphin meat and whale meat is sustainable why don't we do it?

When you see 'earthlings' you kinda feel everything is fair game cute or not.


"As often as Herman had witnessed the slaughter of animals and fish, he always had the same thought: in their behaviour towards creatures, all men were Nazis. The smugness with which man could do with other species as he pleased exemplified the most extreme racist theories, the principle that might is right."
— Isaac Bashevis Singer (Enemies, A Love Story)



The term "endangered"(whales) comes to mind first off. We farm cows for other things other than meat.
To hell with it, lets start eating each other!



dolphins are not endangered and whales can be hunted sustainably if the industry is regulated. it is far worse, ecologically speaking, to eat tuna, salmon, shark or crab.

dolphins and whales are 'cute' and this is somehow a basis for protection in the western world. to say they are 'intelligent' is just as flawed, why should an intelligent animal (as judged by a human) have more right to life than a less intelligent one?


gnacco
NSW, 21 posts
31 Aug 2011 11:17AM
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dolphins are not endangered and whales can be hunted sustainably if the industry is regulated. it is far worse, ecologically speaking, to eat tuna, salmon, shark or crab.

dolphins and whales are 'cute' and this is somehow a basis for protection in the western world. to say they are 'intelligent' is just as flawed, why should an intelligent animal (as judged by a human) have more right to life than a less intelligent one?



I agree with that! that's why we should think about what we eat, what we consume and how we behave.
It's not just about the dolphins and it's not even about being vegy
We should think about how much plastic we use every day and where this goes after and how it impact with the enviroment ect ect...
But most of the people instead of face the problems and act, prefer not to think about that because it's too bad.

patsken
WA, 717 posts
31 Aug 2011 9:59AM
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I'll play the devils advocate.

"Whats the difference between slaughtering dolphins in that manner to queuing up the cows at the slaughter house.
If eating dolphin meat and whale meat is sustainable why don't we do it?"




Simple really.

We haven't figured out a way to "farm" dolphins yet !!
And I can't see slaughtering whole pods of dolphins as sustainable.

I guess there is one plus though -- the consumers of the dolphin meat will possibly die out before the dolphins do due to the mercury contamination.....

barn
WA, 2960 posts
31 Aug 2011 10:00AM
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doggie said...



Not harsh at all imo. I thought it was funny that the fisheries guy that got the sack tested positive for mercury as well. I hope he is haunted by this until his death.

Where is barn? He will have some sort of convoluted opinion on the subject.


HERE I AM!!!

Didn't see the 'Cove' but have already seen plenty of footage..

While there is a difference between killing wild dolphins and domestic cows, the difference is murky.. Is the problem the way they are killed?, or whats being killed?.. If we are worried about animal suffering or the method of killing then it's entirely hypocritical for us to call out the Japs on this, because we let our animals suffer halal..

If we are worried about the type of animal (Rare? large peaceful marine mammals) then we also can't talk. We still kill Dugongs. We also have shark nets that indiscriminately kill everything..



felixdcat said...
We should eat Pandas as well it is a delicacy, tiger's penis is good too


poor relative said...
Why not. If we can breed enough pandas, tigers in captivity and farm them in a profitable fashion that is i guess sustainable why not?


Tiger penis is eaten because it's thought to increase libido, it's ****ing stupid.. We can't breed tigers to eat their dicks no matter how easy or profitable it is.. It's unjustifiable to do that to such a noble animal..

poor relative
WA, 9106 posts
31 Aug 2011 10:05AM
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barn said...

Tiger penis is eaten because it's thought to increase libido, it's ****ing stupid.. We can't breed tigers to eat their dicks no matter how easy or profitable it is.. It's unjustifiable to do that to such a noble animal..


LOL.
Why respect a Tiger and call it Noble yet slaughter in their billions chickens?
What about the fur. Tiger skin jackets would look nice.
They are only animals after all.

poor relative
WA, 9106 posts
31 Aug 2011 10:17AM
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barn said...
It's unjustifiable to do that to such a noble animal..


barn
WA, 2960 posts
31 Aug 2011 10:32AM
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poor relative said...

barn said...

Tiger penis is eaten because it's thought to increase libido, it's ****ing stupid.. We can't breed tigers to eat their dicks no matter how easy or profitable it is.. It's unjustifiable to do that to such a noble animal..


LOL.
Why respect a Tiger and call it Noble yet slaughter in their billions chickens?
What about the fur. Tiger skin jackets would look nice.
They are only animals after all.


If a Tiger is just as valuable as a chicken then humans are just as valuable as a chicken.. We are just animals after all.. We should start farming humans for vital organs and slave labour..

You don't breed tigers to eat their dicks just because some stupid ancient Traditional Medicine man told you it will give you a rock on..



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