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who here smacks their kids?

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Created by stamp > 9 months ago, 10 Nov 2012
Mark _australia
WA, 23706 posts
10 Nov 2012 9:34PM
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poor relative said...
I just don't get how a violent aggressive act from a primary care giver can be beneficial for a child who barely knows better.
For an older child there are far more effective strategies you can use that not only makes the child regret their actions but also gives them a sense of responsibility over their behaviour. However it requires consistency and effort from the parent.
I would never under any circumstances hit my daughter......ever.


OK, my example was a 7 y/o stealing

Tell me after step 3 in my process, what would you do?
He has been told 3x and been subject to non-corporal punishment.
He had also been told that if he continued, there would be a smack.
He was warned twice there would be a smack so we have negated the "oh, he is young and does not understand / remember"
What would you do? Continue to say "please don't" and take away the Xbox / Wii / dessert / friend's over / videos?
Until what? Children's Court?

just wondering....? What are your "effective strategies" when they continue to transgress after each "strategy"?


I see people in the supermarket or playground saying "please don't do that" ........ "mummy doesn't like it when you do that" ....... "if you do that then you will be in BIG trouble Mister" and the sh!t goes on and on. In some cases, I see it every bloody time that kid is in the playground and the same weak sh!t is repeated by the parents. I feel like saying to them "OR WHAT??" you are p!ss weak and you kid knows it"



Upon the RARE transgression, I say "Oi, stop it, no more" and what I get back ..... "sorry daddy" and it stops. That is from a kid who has been smacked twice in 7.5yrs.

It is the same as training a dog, a balance of treats and escalating punishment, with the added dimension that kids are smarter than dogs.
The latter is why smacking is essential - if you are weak as p!ss they will see it and exploit it.



(BTW I do not believe hitting an 18mth old is the right way, but this thread is about smacking in general.)





NotWal
QLD, 7436 posts
11 Nov 2012 1:04AM
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Mark _australia said...
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The bleeding hearts would have had u believe for the last 15 yrs or so that smacking increases aggression - however we are experiencing the opposite - so the social engineers might want to gaze into their chardonnay or pot smoke cloud and invent something new ........ cos they have been fkn dead set wrong for the last 15yrs or so.


You seem to be assuming that people aren't smacking their kids. If the evidence here is anything to go by then that is not the case.

In any case I don't see any causal link between the lack of corporeal punishment and later misbehavior. I guess your reasoning might be that if kids don't have respect thumped into them then they cant possibly grow up to be respectful people, or something like that. That's contrary to my experience.

southace
SA, 4803 posts
11 Nov 2012 1:37AM
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Lock them up! They make to much noise and there's way to many of them!

Mark _australia
WA, 23706 posts
10 Nov 2012 11:13PM
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^^^ Sorry NotWal, your experience is contrary to mine. Well, I am not claiming that ALL kids who are spared a smack become evil doers............. I am just saying that in general terms, corporal punishment performed fairly, creates more well rounded behaving individuals in GENERAL.

Contrast the loony leftist social engineer: if you smack your kids they then normalise violence and become violent themselves.
WTF!!??????




RPM
WA, 1549 posts
10 Nov 2012 11:18PM
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Pc idiots are ruining this country. Enough said.

cisco
QLD, 12365 posts
11 Nov 2012 1:57AM
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Mark _australia said...

(BTW I do not believe hitting an 18mth old is the right way, but this thread is about smacking in general.)



You can always rely on PR to come in with the PC.

Hitting a child is always wrong. A smack where it stings is mostly beneficial to both child and parent in disciplinary matters. Both should learn from it.

Do I smack my children?? No they are brutes and it hurts my hands too much.

lotofwind
NSW, 6451 posts
11 Nov 2012 7:56AM
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If someone is doing something that is anoying you or you deem as wrong you hit them. Not really how we should teach our kids to deal with things in life.

I think it is just an excuse for frustrated parents, who lack good comunication(parenting skills) to expell their own anger by hitting.

fingerbone
NSW, 921 posts
11 Nov 2012 8:14AM
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You just have to look at schools.
Since corporal punishment was removed the kids do and say what they want...
Respect to elders is zero..
The threat of a smack from parents is only worth something if a good smack has been handed out previously.
I tell you now I would much rather smack my kids than have to visit them in hospital for being run over by a car or something.

mmhard
NSW, 72 posts
11 Nov 2012 8:15AM
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poor relative said...
I just don't get how a violent aggressive act from a primary care giver can be beneficial for a child who barely knows better.
For an older child there are far more effective strategies you can use that not only makes the child regret their actions but also gives them a sense of responsibility over their behaviour. However it requires consistency and effort from the parent.
I would never under any circumstances hit my daughter......ever.


Spot on. Thankyou

Mr float
NSW, 3452 posts
11 Nov 2012 8:17AM
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poor relative said...
I just don't get how a violent aggressive act from a primary care giver can be beneficial for a child who barely knows better.
For an older child there are far more effective strategies you can use that not only makes the child regret their actions but also gives them a sense of responsibility over their behaviour. However it requires consistency and effort from the parent.
I would never under any circumstances hit my daughter......ever.


ditto .Having said that my daughters sometimes drive me insane with their fighting ,nagging, whinging .defiance and so on and the intense emotions that build up in me is unbearable .its not on tho ever (and isn;t it against the law ?)

mmhard
NSW, 72 posts
11 Nov 2012 8:17AM
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Mark _australia said...
poor relative said...
I just don't get how a violent aggressive act from a primary care giver can be beneficial for a child who barely knows better.
For an older child there are far more effective strategies you can use that not only makes the child regret their actions but also gives them a sense of responsibility over their behaviour. However it requires consistency and effort from the parent.
I would never under any circumstances hit my daughter......ever.


OK, my example was a 7 y/o stealing

Tell me after step 3 in my process, what would you do?
He has been told 3x and been subject to non-corporal punishment.
He had also been told that if he continued, there would be a smack.
He was warned twice there would be a smack so we have negated the "oh, he is young and does not understand / remember"
What would you do? Continue to say "please don't" and take away the Xbox / Wii / dessert / friend's over / videos?
Until what? Children's Court?

just wondering....? What are your "effective strategies" when they continue to transgress after each "strategy"?


I see people in the supermarket or playground saying "please don't do that" ........ "mummy doesn't like it when you do that" ....... "if you do that then you will be in BIG trouble Mister" and the sh!t goes on and on. In some cases, I see it every bloody time that kid is in the playground and the same weak sh!t is repeated by the parents. I feel like saying to them "OR WHAT??" you are p!ss weak and you kid knows it"



Upon the RARE transgression, I say "Oi, stop it, no more" and what I get back ..... "sorry daddy" and it stops. That is from a kid who has been smacked twice in 7.5yrs.

It is the same as training a dog, a balance of treats and escalating punishment, with the added dimension that kids are smarter than dogs.
The latter is why smacking is essential - if you are weak as p!ss they will see it and exploit it.



(BTW I do not believe hitting an 18mth old is the right way, but this thread is about smacking in general.)








Maybe its about the lead up to this incident and how things are handled over the previous 7 years.

Mr float
NSW, 3452 posts
11 Nov 2012 8:18AM
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lotofwind said...
If someone is doing something that is anoying you or you deem as wrong you hit them. Not really how we should teach our kids to deal with things in life.

I think it is just an excuse for frustrated parents, who lack good comunication(parenting skills) to expell their own anger by hitting.





agreed

Mr float
NSW, 3452 posts
11 Nov 2012 8:29AM
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fingerbone said...
You just have to look at schools.
Since corporal punishment was removed the kids do and say what they want...
Respect to elders is zero..
The threat of a smack from parents is only worth something if a good smack has been handed out previously.
I tell you now I would much rather smack my kids than have to visit them in hospital for being run over by a car or something.


the reason why kids do what they want and respect for elders is zero is that as a society our ideas beyond beating the crap out of some kid for being a little **** are limited ,as someone else said here there are strategies for dealing with out of line behaviour they are hard work and take commitment ,something that many adults could not be bothered with and would prefer a return to the bad old days of corporal punishment .
I have been the victim of many adult crimes and have thought that putting them in the stocks might be a good idea so that people can spit on them humiliate and abuse them throw **** at them but i m not so sure that this is the best thing after the outrage towards them and their crime passes and I think perhaps a more considered and ,civilised and compassionate approach is warranted

poor relative
WA, 9106 posts
11 Nov 2012 11:36AM
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Mark _australia said...


Tell me after step 3 in my process, what would you do?





So if you ask your wife not to do something twice and she continues to do it do you hit her?
Your neighbour parks on your verge you ask him twice not do it but he continues to do so do you hit him?
So why would you hit your child to 'teach them a lesson'?

I guess we are all different and we all have different ideas of bringing up kids but bringing them up to live in fear of being hit if they do something naughty IMO is a bit weird.


EDIT: Somebody told me once - you cant motivate change with a negative.

Mark _australia
WA, 23706 posts
11 Nov 2012 9:52PM
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poor relative said...
Mark _australia said...


Tell me after step 3 in my process, what would you do?





So if you ask your wife not to do something twice and she continues to do it do you hit her?
Your neighbour parks on your verge you ask him twice not do it but he continues to do so do you hit him?
So why would you hit your child to 'teach them a lesson'?

I guess we are all different and we all have different ideas of bringing up kids but bringing them up to live in fear of being hit if they do something naughty IMO is a bit weird.


EDIT: Somebody told me once - you cant motivate change with a negative.


We are talking stealing. My wife would not commit a ciminal act (a) she knows better and (b) she would be subject to the LAW. However a 7 year old is not subject to the law as he is too young.

The parking on the verge thing is just ridiculous.

None of you anti- brigade have yet told me what these "effective strategies" are?
After he has been told repeatedly, had priviledges removed, explained to him by mum, dad, auntie, the policeman down the road, the teacher, escalating punishments each time and lots of talking and then he still steals for the 4th time what do you do??

cisco
QLD, 12365 posts
12 Nov 2012 12:34AM
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Mark _australia said...
........and then he still steals for the 4th time what do you do??


Charge the cattle prod batteries up.

bobajob
QLD, 1535 posts
12 Nov 2012 6:27AM
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Mr float said...
lotofwind said...
If someone is doing something that is anoying you or you deem as wrong you hit them. Not really how we should teach our kids to deal with things in life.

I think it is just an excuse for frustrated parents, who lack good comunication(parenting skills) to expell their own anger by hitting.





agreed


Who says it's done in anger?

mmhard
NSW, 72 posts
12 Nov 2012 8:38AM
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Mark _australia said...
poor relative said...
Mark _australia said...


Tell me after step 3 in my process, what would you do?





So if you ask your wife not to do something twice and she continues to do it do you hit her?
Your neighbour parks on your verge you ask him twice not do it but he continues to do so do you hit him?
So why would you hit your child to 'teach them a lesson'?

I guess we are all different and we all have different ideas of bringing up kids but bringing them up to live in fear of being hit if they do something naughty IMO is a bit weird.


EDIT: Somebody told me once - you cant motivate change with a negative.


We are talking stealing. My wife would not commit a ciminal act (a) she knows better and (b) she would be subject to the LAW. However a 7 year old is not subject to the law as he is too young.

The parking on the verge thing is just ridiculous.

None of you anti- brigade have yet told me what these "effective strategies" are?
After he has been told repeatedly, had priviledges removed, explained to him by mum, dad, auntie, the policeman down the road, the teacher, escalating punishments each time and lots of talking and then he still steals for the 4th time what do you do??




Effective Strategies are things that have been developed over the childs lifetime when you have to actually resolve the issues instead of just using a heavy hand. I cannot tell you what they are because every child is different and responds to situations differently, i believe that a strong bond and close guidence over many years encourages a child to naturally not want to do these things. Of course these situations will occur and when they are handled non violently they may just teach kids how to resolve problems later in life in a little less confrontational manner. Nothing can compare to time spent with a child.
I am no expert but i believe there has to be 100% consistency from birth.

deansh250
32 posts
12 Nov 2012 5:39AM
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A smack in front of their friends even better. Embarrassment is a great tool for instilling discipline.

beatlloydy
NSW, 133 posts
12 Nov 2012 10:08AM
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I have 3 daughters 17, 13 and 7. I cant remember the last time I have had to smack them...I think for each of them it was when they were quite young (2-4). I always did the count to 10 internally first to calm myself and then the hold out your hand approach rather than on the bum.

Then as they grow up withholding of priviledges seems to work better...also reward when they are doing the correct thing without being asked...the biggest issue I have is keeping their rooms clean...so if it gets out of hand then they know there are consequences.

My kids grew up alongside our friends who took the "lassaiz faire" approach to parenting and deemed that discipline was wrong....And for some of the kids it worked..i.e they are well behaved and grew up as responsible teenagers..then the other half grew up and still are "**s".

I guess there is no single way to parent a child...You have to see what works best. I dont believe the government or those lefty wankers have any part in telling me or anyone else how we should be disciplining our children unless it crosses the boundaries into Child abuse.

I would like to see society take a more proactive role tho in the "social welfare" side of things as from what I see we are breeding whole generations of people who are brought up thinking welfare is an entitlement for them and it should pay for alcohol, cigarettes, drugs etc...but I guess that is another topic.

evlPanda
NSW, 9207 posts
12 Nov 2012 10:39AM
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NotWal said...
I never had to smack my kids. There was always a simple alternative.



Threaten them with Catholic school?

sausage
QLD, 4874 posts
12 Nov 2012 10:19AM
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evlPanda said...
NotWal said...
I never had to smack my kids. There was always a simple alternative.



Threaten them with Catholic school?



I got both

poor relative
WA, 9106 posts
12 Nov 2012 9:33AM
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Mark _australia said...

After he has been told repeatedly, had priviledges removed, explained to him by mum, dad, auntie, the policeman down the road, the teacher, escalating punishments each time and lots of talking and then he still steals for the 4th time what do you do??




Give him the time and attention he is screaming out for?

Sailhack
VIC, 5000 posts
12 Nov 2012 12:52PM
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I have smacked my kids, but very rarely & only 2 of the 3...my oldest son is 9 & he's never been smacked as we only ever had to voice our slightest disappointment & he'd turn into an apologetic mess, so we had to be careful with any discipline. My 2 daughters (7 & 2) have rarely seen a smack. I'm not against anyone smacking their kids 'correctly' as opposed to violent hitting, as I think there are a few kids out there who need it - this is mainly due to the parents not being pro-active when the kids were younger & disciplining them correctly.

Rather than 'smacking' the kids, a threat of a smack generally works - and when that won't work, the old 1....2...."IF I HAVE TO COUNT TO 3!" does. For the 2 older kids, a simple threat to withhold privileges works every time...still on the 1,2,& with the youngest atm.

Mark _australia
WA, 23706 posts
12 Nov 2012 10:22AM
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poor relative said...
Mark _australia said...

After he has been told repeatedly, had priviledges removed, explained to him by mum, dad, auntie, the policeman down the road, the teacher, escalating punishments each time and lots of talking and then he still steals for the 4th time what do you do??




Give him the time and attention he is screaming out for?


Mike we very rarely agree on anything in topics such as this and that is fine. I reckon you are a good bloke and got the guts to say what you think whether anyone agrees or not.

But that comment is insulting and just deadset fkn rude. You have no idea how close my son and I are, and just because you subscribe to the new age way does not automatically mean my son needed discipline due to one of my failings like lack of attention.

poor relative
WA, 9106 posts
12 Nov 2012 10:33AM
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No offence intended, Just sayin'

EDIT:
I would also suggest that if you dont want to hear the answer dont ask the question.

tmurray
WA, 485 posts
12 Nov 2012 10:39AM
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It is the same as training a dog, a balance of treats and escalating punishment, with the added dimension that kids are smarter than dogs.
The latter is why smacking is essential - if you are weak as p!ss they will see it and exploit it.





So you give your kid a smack because he's been caught stealing.
Then he steals again because there's some underlying issue that hasn't been resolved.
So do you
a. beat him harder
b. find some other method of dealing with the problem

fingerbone
NSW, 921 posts
12 Nov 2012 5:02PM
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pmsl...sometimes I wish my kids wore remote controlled electric collars..

That would fix em..

getfunky
WA, 4485 posts
13 Nov 2012 10:45AM
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I'm not gonna say a smack is never neccesary but it is for extreme cases only IMO.

Haven't smacked my son for about 4 years (he's nearly 10).

Last time I did, sure he was being naughty and really pushing my buttons but it was more about my lack of patience and being worn out at the time.

Yes, he did ask for it (he tried to get pushy shovey with me) but my reaction was OTT (in hindsight).

Smacked his hand (that he tried to punch me with) real hard! Felt pretty bad about it, Haven't raised my hand since. Haven't needed to as have found thinking it through (and a few deep breaths) a better practice.

It;s too easy to smack and teaches your kids vthe wrong message IMO, especially if used regularly.

Just my 2c - feel free to beat your kids if you think that is the best message to instill.

sn
WA, 2775 posts
13 Nov 2012 10:25PM
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I never smacked my son much, little sod could always run faster than me

Brodie isnt that little anymore- taller than his mum, not much to go before he is taller than me, and I am pretty sure he can hit harder than me too...............


all joking aside- I think he only ever got one smack as a punishment, he might push his luck every now and then- but is pretty good at knowing the limits.

stephen



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