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Created by NickT > 9 months ago, 29 Dec 2012
NickT
WA, 1094 posts
29 Dec 2012 11:30AM
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Is it true that the cyclone activity up north signifies the end of the season? Just wondering if we're copying last year, good month in November, average December followed by sh!t January?

James
WA, 549 posts
29 Dec 2012 12:55PM
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NickT said...

Is it true that the cyclone activity up north signifies the end of the season? Just wondering if we're copying last year, good month in November, average December followed by sh!t January?


And then the wind came in, some grumpy sod gave ya a red thumb, gave you a green to counter, no worries , just gimmie a beer next time you see me

Akwa
WA, 255 posts
29 Dec 2012 1:11PM
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Isn't it just cause its so f'ing hot that it kills the breeze? When it cools down again we'll get the breezes back! Stay positive!

TurtleHunter
WA, 1675 posts
29 Dec 2012 1:59PM
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It feels like it up here. The last decent wind we had was before christmas.
Humid, rain and thunderstorms already.

iti
QLD, 417 posts
29 Dec 2012 4:10PM
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Just said on foxtel weather that this hot spell is the hottest spell in Perth in the last twenty years

bumstein
WA, 108 posts
29 Dec 2012 4:49PM
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I thought the heat would bring the seabreeze in no?? Land heats up, sea doesn't, causes pressure gradient between the two and presto!! Seabreeze..

Am I thinking of this the wrong way?? If not, why the heat without the fun wind??

eppo
WA, 9793 posts
29 Dec 2012 5:54PM
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Check the synoptic charts out. See the big trough caused by the northern low. This stalls the highs coming through and they just sit there in the bight warming everything up the coast. You need a high from out west to just touch the continent yeh sure for a pressure gradient to create a south westerly wind direction couple this with the land heating and you not only get the right direction but that infill we all feel at about 4 ish. Right now its a load of donkey sh1t bollocks messing with my head!

suniboy21
VIC, 1090 posts
29 Dec 2012 9:48PM
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who cares, its windy over here!

thedrip
WA, 2355 posts
29 Dec 2012 7:15PM
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suniboy21 said...
who cares, its windy over here!


And we all hate you for it.

Ummmm......anyone want to put into twenty bucks and get a sharehouse in vicco.....

bumstein
WA, 108 posts
29 Dec 2012 11:16PM
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Cheers for the lesson Eppo!! Gotta get my head around this a bit better

bobajob
QLD, 1535 posts
30 Dec 2012 9:50AM
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suniboy21 said...
who cares, its windy over here!


And here!

default
WA, 1255 posts
30 Dec 2012 9:30AM
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It is a bit reminiscint of the last 2 Perth seasons. Particularly 10/11.. Up to Xmas was sweet. 40 degrees on Xmas day and the temps didn't change much for the remainder of the season = limp ass seabreezes.

But hey got out yesterday! Was a bit of a surprise actually.. Has been a couple of ok breezes this season when it's been hot - not really the norm

Bo
WA, 192 posts
30 Dec 2012 9:50AM
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Sadly, kiting as my over-arching summer activity here in WA has ceased. For the past 3 years there has not been a distinct season as we used to know it. Low pressure systems now dominate our summers and proper seabreezes are rare.

The current trough and synoptic condition are just the symptoms. As such do not explain anything!! Something much more sinister seems to be afoot and we should be asking ourselves *WHY* the mentioned troughs have become permanent, putting an end to our sport.

bene313
WA, 1347 posts
30 Dec 2012 10:16AM
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The "WHY?" is due to seasonal shifts in water temperatures.

There is plenty of info on the Indian Ocean Dipole (IOD) published by the Bureau:

http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/IOD/about_IOD.shtml

According to the Bureau the outlook for the Tropical Pacific (which seems to affect the IOD) remains neutral, thus suggesting more WA breezes to come, perhaps:

www.bom.gov.au/climate/enso/

There is a lot of comparison being drawn on this forum of the 2007-2009 period to the 2010-2012 period. Differences can probably be attributed to:

** 2007-09 Primarily being El Nino and Negative IOD
** 2010-12 We move to La Nina and Positive IOD
** 2013 seems to be neither La Nina nor El Nino (neutral ENSO) and PositiveIOD

laurie
QLD, 3902 posts
30 Dec 2012 12:39PM
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Troughs happen every year in WA, and this one is no exception. Add a cyclone up north and it can make them a bit more prolonged than usual.

Wind will be back to normal programming soon...

Read how it works here:
www.seabreeze.com.au/info/wind.asp

Also, check the latest synoptic (click on 7 day forecast) .. cyclone fades, high cell approaches from SW with a cold front brushing the south coast.

Fresh breezes & a pulse of swell... happy days not too far off..

www.seabreeze.com.au/graphs/wa_synoptic.asp?loc=PERT&stateid=0

Bo
WA, 192 posts
30 Dec 2012 10:43AM
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Rising water temperatures seem to me to be just another symptom in a chain of events...not a cause.

I'd be interested to know why you think the water temperatures are so high?

Another stroke of random bad luck, all being well otherwise?

Dave Whettingsteel
WA, 1397 posts
30 Dec 2012 10:58AM
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Bo said...
Rising water temperatures seem to me to be just another symptom in a chain of events...not a cause.

I'd be interested to know why you think the water temperatures are so high?

Another stroke of random bad luck, all being well otherwise?

I don't think the water temp is higher than normal. See this link for Gero water temp www.midwestports.com.au/profiles/midwestports/custom/seaview/

25 to 26.... It's risen a bit with all the hot weather.

What temp are you calling out as high, and why?

default
WA, 1255 posts
30 Dec 2012 11:09AM
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laurie said...
Troughs happen every year in WA, and this one is no exception. Add a cyclone up north and it can make them a bit more prolonged than usual.

Wind will be back to normal programming soon...

Read how it works here:
www.seabreeze.com.au/info/wind.asp

Also, check the latest synoptic (click on 7 day forecast) .. cyclone fades, high cell approaches from SW with a cold front brushing the south coast.

Fresh breezes & a pulse of swell... happy days not too far off..

www.seabreeze.com.au/graphs/wa_synoptic.asp?loc=PERT&stateid=0


Hey Laurie, can you pls push this trough through a bit earlier than forecast.. I'm back to work on Wednesday :(

dogfish
NT, 255 posts
30 Dec 2012 5:19PM
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weekend looks decidedly troffie to me, with a blocking high east of kiwi





Bo
WA, 192 posts
31 Dec 2012 7:59AM
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Dave Whettingsteel said...
What temp are you calling out as high, and why?

Actually I doubt very much that high water temperatures are the cause of our changing WA weather patterns, so I was not "calling them". I was responding to Bene313 who said water temps were to blame. He included references to the Indian Ocean Dipole. This phenomenon has also been quoted in the media lately.

No disrespect to you Laurie and good onya for your optimism. Almost made me feel a little better ---- I would LIKE to believe you, but the charts look nothing like they used to for this time of the year. Of course troughs did occurr, but they did not *dominate* an entire season.

For the sake of all of us and wind sports in WA, I hope I'm completely wrong somehow....

Dave Whettingsteel
WA, 1397 posts
31 Dec 2012 9:59AM
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Well I was out kiting at least 4 or 5 times a week up until the day after Boxing Day. Sure we have been troughed out the last 4 or 5 days, but I don't think you can say the season has been dominated by troughs.

Seems like a pretty windy summer to me so far.

NickT
WA, 1094 posts
31 Dec 2012 10:07AM
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Dave, that was my original point I kited at least 20 days in nov, but less in dec, what does jan hold.

Last year when the cyclones appeared up north the season faulted and we saw a lot of trough's and was thinking this year was heading down the same path.

arloj
WA, 237 posts
1 Jan 2013 6:53PM
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NickT said...
what does jan hold.







Bo
WA, 192 posts
2 Jan 2013 7:52AM
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Yup, that was one semi-frontal day forecast. Presently it's gone even WORSE with another trough on the way!

It used to be green arrows all week, all month! Proper thermal conditions. Body would ache, eyebrows bleached white from constant kiting. In January I'd be kite tripping up and down the coast, Port Gregory, Corros, Cervantes, Wedge etc etc ------forever gone.

Another non season.

mattyjee
WA, 575 posts
2 Jan 2013 8:24AM
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Stop being such a negative nancy. We always get a week or two of troughed out conditions - its no different. Apart from the last two weeks the season so far has been epic.

dogfish
NT, 255 posts
2 Jan 2013 10:12AM
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austin
671 posts
2 Jan 2013 9:09AM
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1troughy week easily makes up for the thumping swell on Friday I'd rather be fresh to kite all day than marginally tired from sub average conditions. Channel busting at the point yeeeeeeeeew

pgc
VIC, 886 posts
2 Jan 2013 12:28PM
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hey guys were worn out from suping kiting and surfing .What a season!!!
hope theres wind for kitestock

Akwa
WA, 255 posts
7 Jan 2013 9:32AM
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Did someone say the season was over?

eppo
WA, 9793 posts
7 Jan 2013 10:55AM
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Lol. Nice one.

Hybrid_Z
VIC, 382 posts
7 Jan 2013 2:04PM
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So glad i go back to work Wednesday....god damn it.



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