What do you connect your death-leash to ?

Ever feel like you've talked your self into a corner with your own paranoid delusions Mr Slave?

I take it that's a yes then.

The last time (or was it the time before or the time before that) Slave was on his death leash soap box I asked if he had ever accidently lost his kite, I'm still waiting for the reply.

Here is a bit of reading for the rest of you www.simonandschuster.com/books/Arguing-with-Idiots/Glenn-Beck/9780743596886
but surely your folks or someone warned you of the consequences

P.S. WaveSlave you do have valid points about riding suicide if you are not unhooking and attaching the leash to a handle pass line if you are not doing handle passes but I can't agree with you about not wearing a leash that just passes the risk onto others. As Steve (KP) said earlier it is not leashes that kill people it is people getting over confident and going out overpowered in stormy conditions.

**** why am I arguing with you, I should know better.

Speaking of runaway kites, true there are a multitude of reasons and fortunately it does not happen too much.
The main reasons I have seen are operator error, and poor maintenance.

Slaves tired old rhetoric about leashes is well past its use by date, and is just his lame attempt to justify his selfish attitude about his own refusal to wear a leash.

The earlier comments about certain kite designs and safety systems deserve some clarifying comments.

The 5th line argument, being the most safe, is totally flawed, simply because the use of 5th line safety in kites is almost non existent and yet we have all somehow been surviving just fine without it.

Mini 5th line, is not a fifth line, it is just a below the bar flagging system. The Core system is effectively identical to Fone bandit, Cabrinha IDS and IDSX, Best Waroo and Kahoona, etc, etc all actually rely on a 2 line flagging bridle. There is no single fifth line going direct from the leash to the kite. "Mini Fifth" is marketing spin.
An excellent safety system, with an excellent safety record, probably the most widely used system in the workd now

The Slingshot, Ozone, along with many other brands below the bar, flagging to one line systems, are extremely effective, and have been in use for a few years now with well supported excellent safety record. Probaly the second most widely used system.

Fifth line safety systems have their own unique issues, including tuning the length of the fifth line, wear on the through the bar part of the 5th line, tangling of the 5th line around the kite on "roll throughs", and the instability of wide projected area kites when released to a 5th line.

Wear a leash, know what it does and when and how to use it.
If you don't handle pass don't clip your leash to a line across the back of your harness.
Practice using the primary and secondary safety systems on your kites regularly.

Cya and

Goodwinds

Steve

hilarious fifth line commentary steve! Why don't you just come out and say " we've had a falling out with north kites and therefore must bag them at every opportunity"

i ride a 7mtr vapor 1 with a fifth line. i havent ridden any other kite but a switch blade 3 twice and a rev 2009 x 2. i hook my leash to the fifth and to the chicken loop. so hopefully when i eject my chicken loop (i have never had to do) it will flag out to the the fifth line by separating from the chicken loop. if it goes from there i guess i just pull the release and bye bye kite. i have though had some fairly hard impact with water due to suicide setup with leash and kite still powered up before hitting the water. a few stars etc.

ha ha, I don't often agree with you Slave, but that was a good one, I bet you did lol when you saw that post.