If you're interested in watching the 5.3m fly:
You were cooking upwind in those gusts!
Ya, rips upwind and pretty comfortable in gusty conditions.
what wind conditions was it?
0-20 kts frontal winds
The S3 release finally has me thinking of grabbing a parawing and debating 4.2 vs 3.4.
I'm a kite foiler turned winger for a few seasons now riding primarily in the Outer Banks of NC.
Intermediate 75kg rider on a 75l Armstrong ML and an 55l Omen Emissary with AFS Silks, 850 and 1050.
Seems the 4.2 would be the choice but debating the 3.4.
The S3 release finally has me thinking of grabbing a parawing and debating 4.2 vs 3.4.
I'm a kite foiler turned winger for a few seasons now riding primarily in the Outer Banks of NC.
Intermediate 75kg rider on a 75l Armstrong ML and an 55l Omen Emissary with AFS Silks, 850 and 1050.
Seems the 4.2 would be the choice but debating the 3.4.
Greg's wind charts are accurate. Would make your decision on sizing based on the charts. Sounds like the S3 has more comfortable top end range, and good starting power. Interesting that Greg sized down to a 60l board from his usual 90l which is positive Vol for his weight I believe. Have seen some people saying that the S3 is not a beginner wing but I personally would not let that stop you if you have the patience to figure out how it likes to be trimmed during turns. Can practice pw easily on land with a OneWheel or skateboard to avoid on water frustrations. Hope to try an S3 this weekend but I have yet to see a negative review.
The S3 release finally has me thinking of grabbing a parawing and debating 4.2 vs 3.4.
I'm a kite foiler turned winger for a few seasons now riding primarily in the Outer Banks of NC.
Intermediate 75kg rider on a 75l Armstrong ML and an 55l Omen Emissary with AFS Silks, 850 and 1050.
Seems the 4.2 would be the choice but debating the 3.4.
drive up to Hampton VA tomorrow early to try them out! I’ll be at ft Monroe early with the quiver. Happy to let you try one out. Bring your wing too. Could be really good gorge like conditions with the flood tide into the SW’erly!
The S3 is a beginner wing. I’m a beginner.
I tried and failed 2 years ago with the Flow Dwing. I spent days trying to get to my feet with the Dwing and sold it. Got to my feet once on it. Such a frustrating experience when you’re old and arthritis makes everything so painful and difficult.
The S3 has none of the crappy flying quirks of the gen one parawings. If you buy one, study Greg’s videos. Don’t be a know it all and try to figure everything out yourself. The handle is super easy and intuitive with Greg’s tips. The wing flys and behaves great. Really happy with mine.
Thanks all for the feedback.
CFL, Yeah, I'm looking at the range and feel that either wing could work given our winds and picking the days. My most used wing is a 4.5m so maybe 4.2 would be the right size? One of the podcasts Greg was saying the people with no PW experience had an easier time on the S3 where people with skills had some adjustment time.
M.A.F. Thanks for the offer but probably not happening today. Should be another good SW day here today. 4.5m yesterday. Maybe sometime in the future. Do you ever come down this way?
DWF, I've been watching Greg's videos and definitely would do some land practice. What size(s) are you on?
I am looking at foils as well and planning an update there as I feel my v1 Silks might not be the best match for the PW and our conditions.
Learned something about Greg’s harness line. I bought the 30cm. It’s ok, but a little short. So I thought I’d just sew my own. I have everything to make an identical one. But then I noticed something when getting ready to sew my own Dyneema loops. My line is soft and floppy. Turns out, Greg has taken those tiny plastic rods he uses on his parawing and put it in the core of his dyneema rope to make the harness line loop stay open for the hook. You would never know this as first look. When you get to touch one of Greg’s harness lines, flick it with your finger and you’ll feel it. Feel the looped ends of his line without the rods inside, it’s super obvious then.
Learned something about Greg's harness line. I bought the 30cm. It's ok, but a little short. So I thought I'd just sew my own. I have everything to make an identical one. But then I noticed something when getting ready to sew my own Dyneema loops. My line is soft and floppy. Turns out, Greg has taken those tiny plastic rods he uses on his parawing and put it in the core of his dyneema rope to make the harness line loop stay open for the hook. You would never know this as first look. When you get to touch one of Greg's harness lines, flick it with your finger and you'll feel it. Feel the looped ends of his line without the rods inside, it's super obvious then.
Ya, makes the 20cm super easy to get in and out. I would consider it a rigid harness line.
More playing on the S3 5.3m but had to switch to the Paia 3.1m when wind started blasting:
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After day three, getting to my feet feels easier than with a hand wing. All because the S3 pulls overhead strong, unlike a hand wing. Plus, the parawing only requires one hand to fly, allowing my free hand to push off the deck helping me stand. I now have a new hip. I tried 2 years ago with a bad hip and quit after 2 attempts with the Flow D-wing. Sold them immediately. Thought I’d never be able to parawing. Better flying parawings and new hip made me try again. I now believe senior citizens are better off riding parawings, over hand wings into our sunset years. I let my 76 year old buddy try it today. He also got to his feet. My wife struggled on day one of hand winging with new fresh knee replacement. She also believes parawinging will be easier to get to her feet after watching me. So she will be the next parawinger in town. This is 5.3m with F4 Orca 1050. I-windsurf sensor “average” 13-16 mph (range 10-20) on day 2 and 3. Weight 195 lbs.
Very interesting, thanks for sharing. I know hand wings are the better option at my local spot, but I’m finding it harder and harder to look the other way!
After day three, getting to my feet feels easier than with a hand wing. All because the S3 pulls overhead strong, unlike a hand wing. Plus, the parawing only requires one hand to fly, allowing my free hand to push off the deck helping me stand. I now have a new hip. I tried 2 years ago with a bad hip and quit after 2 attempts with the Flow D-wing. Sold them immediately. Thought I’d never be able to parawing. Better flying parawings and new hip made me try again. I now believe senior citizens are better off riding parawings, over hand wings into our sunset years. I let my 76 year old buddy try it today. He also got to his feet. My wife struggled on day one of hand winging with new fresh knee replacement. She also believes parawinging will be easier to get to her feet after watching me. So she will be the next parawinger in town. This is 5.3m with F4 Orca 1050. I-windsurf sensor “average” 13-16 mph (range 10-20) on day 2 and 3. Weight 195 lbs.
Legend.
I got my first session in on my 5.3 S3 yesterday. Honestly surprised there is not more hype. It is everything it was billed to be. If you read Greg’s description of the benefits of the design change they are all real and not marketing hype.
It was a typical Florida light wind day, 10-12 with very occasional gusts to 13. No whitecaps to be seen. I was on my neutral mid length and Unifoil Evo 205. The starts were so easy due to getting so much back with each pump. It’s very direct and unlike any pw I have pumped before. Much closer to a wing. It’s deceptive how much power it can generate because the bar pressure is so light.
Once on foil the fun really starts. The S3 feels more like kite foiling than a pw. It builds apparent wind so fast and just accelerates upwind. I think it’s pretty accurate to compare it to the early days of kiting when we transitioned from low aspect kites like the early Wipika designs to higher aspect kites that actually went upwind well. Less fighting the pw to go upwind and more the S3 just pulling you upwind if that makes sense. Picture Eliot Loboe cranking hard on a pickle fork vs modern liters cruising on a surfboard if that helps 😂
I did a bunch of hooked in riding too using the new vertical stash belt, extended hook and mono line and man I am sold. I was a purest who wanted a clean bar and only used a string fellow hook before this but that mono line disappears on the bar. And when hooked it it’s so balanced you could go hands free and it just wants to accelerate upwind. Pulling in on the back of the handle is like stepping on the gas.
It jibes well for a higher aspect pw once you understand how it likes to be handled. I did not need to do down loops or any fancy tricks. I made sure to get it started before I made the transition to avoid it getting locked in going the original direction. It was actually trippy because I didn’t realize how light the wind was on my first couple of jibes, assumed it had filled in because the apparent wind had me going really fast, yet the pw was falling out of the sky if I was not careful in my transition to keep tension (standard light wind pw problem)
It sails dw great too and turns really nicely. I was a skeptic of the D Handle but I am a big fan now. The light bar pressure is such a game changer and it was the primary reason I bought the S3. I have been having issues with numbness in my hands after pw sessions(over 50 problems) and after and hour and a half session I had no fatigue in my hands. Pretty nuts honestly. I think it was less load than a wing.
I did not have any issues with handling, learned on my demo session on the 4.2 that twisting the handle to steer off the A lines was key to keeping control while taxing and getting to your feet. I can comfortably do my normal start with the pw positioned low in the window. No need to keep it overhead.
I am very happy and listed my current quiver including my beloved Maliko 5.1 as soon as I got home. I don’t think everyone will embrace the new design so I expect mixed reviews but for me this is a big upgrade over current pw designs on the market.
Happy you like them Neil.
When I read all the negative comments from purists in the What’s App parawing group, it reminded me of the early days of hand winging. People called me a boomer, while swearing floppy handles as the hill they wanted to die on.
Happy you like them Neil.
When I read all the negative comments from purists in the What’s App parawing group, it reminded me of the early days of hand winging. People called me a boomer, while swearing floppy handles was the hill they wanted to die on.
Hey I am a soft handles fan….LOL!
What harness line length is suggested? I'm 5'10" and hooking in from waist.
Also, anyone have issues getting the 5% discount to apply? I have a referral code applied and a 4.2 in my cart but no dicsount showing up, even at checkout.
Thanks
Tony
What harness line length is suggested? I'm 5'10" and hooking in from waist.
Also, anyone have issues getting the 5% discount to apply? I have a referral code applied and a 4.2 in my cart but no dicsount showing up, even at checkout.
Thanks
Tony
I went with Greg’s recommendation from the site on the mono harness line length and I am really happy with it. I am 6’ for reference.
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Harness line length is greatly affected by how much “strap slack” you ride with on your stash bag/harness. I see a lot of people riding will that strapped stretched out 6 inches from their belly. So hard to advise based on that.
What harness line length is suggested? I'm 5'10" and hooking in from waist.
Also, anyone have issues getting the 5% discount to apply? I have a referral code applied and a 4.2 in my cart but no dicsount showing up, even at checkout.
Thanks
Tony
I prefer super short at 20cm. I'm 5'11" 185lbs
Email them and let them know. They will fix it up for you: [email protected]


Thanks all ... first PW so I probably just need to go with the site recommendation of 30cm and see how that works, then go from there.
As far as the referral it may be because I am not a new customer ... I bought kites, the original clouds, way back when ... long ago.
Thanks all ... first PW so I probably just need to go with the site recommendation of 30cm and see how that works, then go from there.
As far as the referral it may be because I am not a new customer ... I bought kites, the original clouds, way back when ... long ago.
Yes, need to be new customer.
Had my first 2.7M session yesterday in solid 26mph average with gusts mostly in the 35mph range. 635 Manta F4 foil. Smallest BRM harness line with a reverse hook. Swell chest to neck on the sets.
Absolute beast of a little wing. Extremely easy to get on foil. The S3 provides the nicest steady tension so it’s really easy to pop up to my feet and just accelerates onto foil with very little leg action needed, maybe an ollie or two. The steady tension is huge for getting to feet in swell, a big balance aid for sure.
Going upwind it just points and accelerates. The Brm harness line is perfectly balanced. I didn’t need to micro manage the trim at all. Even going toeside it was just grip it and rip it upwind. I’m a toeside rider, so I basically had to adopt a downhill skateboarder stance with both knees bending forward. My free hand was almost able to drag the upwind water surface. Felt sick!
2.1M is the only one I don’t have, and I think I may want one, just for the epic storm days. The 2.7 could handle the gusts fine, but there certainly was some pressure on the harness.
S3 2.7 in the beginning, then switched to a S3 3.4, and very soon even that was not enough. I was with a 830 cm2 front wing and 60 L board (10 L below my weight in kg). Quite frustrating, but still super fun to find out the low end range of different parawings in our super unreliable winds.
Then switched to a 2.5 m2 wing and 570 cm2 front foil and had an amazing session. Later the wind picked up a bit and the S3 3.4 would have definitely worked. That just shows how picky the parawings are about the wind quality. Envy the people having more reliable winds.
Thinking if I can hold down 4.2m S3 with comfy wing harness & 85cm UHM mast on occasional 25-30knots UW/DW ocean swell days, it’d be a one-wang quiver. Get up in 12-14knots with a friendly bump.
Anything lighter just grab inflatable wing.
6’0x20” neutral vol board and 850 Sk8
Thoughts?
I now have a few sessions on the 5.3, riding it underpowered, properly powered, and overpowered.
What I liked:[/b]
- It is very stable in flight, which seems normal given the number of bridles supporting the profile.
- The top-end range is good, but it pulls hard in the harness. I've read reports of people using it in 30-knot gusts, but I still have some doubts about that... At 22–23 knots, I was already maxed out with my 105 kg. The upside is that I'll be able to use it with a smaller board.
- It is very light on the bar. Most of the pull goes through the harness. It's the same feeling as kites with very light bar pressure that load the front lines.
- It pumps like a wing, and for me that's its biggest strength. It significantly improves the low-end range, and since I'm a heavier rider, that's crucial. I even managed to get up on foil while hooked into the harness just by pumping the board two or three times! I was genuinely impressed, properly powered but it was mind-blowing.
- The canopy cloth is incredibly thin and light, but since I don't fully pack the wing yet, that's not (yet) a major factor for me. At this stage, I still carry it by the leading edge with one hand.
What bothered me:[/b]
- The D-bar is not intuitive at all for me. It's great while riding, but for packing, redeploying, etc. it's not ideal. I prefer a regular bar, especially for redeploying or riding one-handed in switch stance, because I can place my hand exactly where I want. On the BRM, the sweet spot is located at the intersection with the "D", which makes things more complicated. I tested the wing with the bar from my Quest, but it doesn't fly as well, especially during gybes where it tends to fall to the opposite side. The D-bar has split A-lines, allowing you to steer and control the wing by pivoting it.
- The harness line: it's positioned right at the sweet spot, but you're forced to use one hand to hook in. I tried the Quest harness line, which is excellent, but it sits behind the sweet spot on the D-bar. As a result, you lose some depower and it's not ideal when riding switch.
- Water relaunch isn't easy. The wing tends to stick to the water, or rather, it easily folds into a ball once it crashes. You often need to get back onto the board before relaunching it. The Quest or the Frigate stay more spread out and relaunche easily, even when you're still in the water.
- The gybe, especially in the low end: sometimes the wing falls to the opposite side. That said, these were among my first sessions. What I later understood is that the wing needs to be kept high during the gybe, rather than into the middle of the window like you would with the Quest, for example. After that, and when properly powered, I was successful almost everytime. I still need to test this in lighter wind and try some downloop gybes.
I'm giving myself a few more sessions to get used to the D-bar and find a solution that makes the harness line easier to hook into. Any tips on that would be greatly appreciated.
The wing is definitely more technical to use than a Quest, but it is also clearly higher performing, with both improved low-end and top-end range. That's when riding it. For staching and redeploying it is not as good in my opinion.
I now have a few sessions on the 5.3, riding it underpowered, properly powered, and overpowered.
What I liked:[/b]
- It is very stable in flight, which seems normal given the number of bridles supporting the profile.
- The top-end range is good, but it pulls hard in the harness. I've read reports of people using it in 30-knot gusts, but I still have some doubts about that... At 22–23 knots, I was already maxed out with my 105 kg. The upside is that I'll be able to use it with a smaller board.
- It is very light on the bar. Most of the pull goes through the harness. It's the same feeling as kites with very light bar pressure that load the front lines.
- It pumps like a wing, and for me that's its biggest strength. It significantly improves the low-end range, and since I'm a heavier rider, that's crucial. I even managed to get up on foil while hooked into the harness just by pumping the board two or three times! I was genuinely impressed, properly powered but it was mind-blowing.
- The canopy cloth is incredibly thin and light, but since I don't fully pack the wing yet, that's not (yet) a major factor for me. At this stage, I still carry it by the leading edge with one hand.
What bothered me:[/b]
- The D-bar is not intuitive at all for me. It's great while riding, but for packing, redeploying, etc. it's not ideal. I prefer a regular bar, especially for redeploying or riding one-handed in switch stance, because I can place my hand exactly where I want. On the BRM, the sweet spot is located at the intersection with the "D", which makes things more complicated. I tested the wing with the bar from my Quest, but it doesn't fly as well, especially during gybes where it tends to fall to the opposite side. The D-bar has split A-lines, allowing you to steer and control the wing by pivoting it.
- The harness line: it's positioned right at the sweet spot, but you're forced to use one hand to hook in. I tried the Quest harness line, which is excellent, but it sits behind the sweet spot on the D-bar. As a result, you lose some depower and it's not ideal when riding switch.
- Water relaunch isn't easy. The wing tends to stick to the water, or rather, it easily folds into a ball once it crashes. You often need to get back onto the board before relaunching it. The Quest or the Frigate stay more spread out and relaunche easily, even when you're still in the water.
- The gybe, especially in the low end: sometimes the wing falls to the opposite side. That said, these were among my first sessions. What I later understood is that the wing needs to be kept high during the gybe, rather than into the middle of the window like you would with the Quest, for example. After that, and when properly powered, I was successful almost everytime. I still need to test this in lighter wind and try some downloop gybes.
I'm giving myself a few more sessions to get used to the D-bar and find a solution that makes the harness line easier to hook into. Any tips on that would be greatly appreciated.
The wing is definitely more technical to use than a Quest, but it is also clearly higher performing, with both improved low-end and top-end range. That's when riding it. For staching and redeploying it is not as good in my opinion.
For harness tips, I use a reverse hook (on a dyneema bungee line) with the shortest Brm harness line. It’s nice flying one handed and hooking in since the free hand can place the hook.
I’ve started to mess around with making an even shorter loop so I can use a longer reverse hook line and make hooking in even easier.
tip for one hand flying without harness, grab over the top of the D handle and wrap your fingers around the down facing part of the handle.



This is how I got PKS bungee lines tied to Greg’s balance point. Now the lines swing in and out of harness hook no hands, like proper windsurf harness lines.
Update to my previous post, as I’ve just come back from a good session with the 5.3:
I’ve now gotten used to the harness line. At first, I would hook it with one hand, and now it only takes a quick glance. So I think it’s really just a matter of getting used to it.
Riding switch is perfectly fine with this setup, and I can steer the bar with my wrist.
After that, I switched to the Quest 5m and, honestly, I missed the D-Bar while riding. It’s just so much more ergonomic!
On the other hand, I still find packing up easier with the Quest bar (and with the Quest in general).