And here I am thinking the mono harness line is the best harness setup that I have used on a pw, I didn't like using a harness until I tried this setup
Good to have options, just a note to those thinking about using another harness setup the magic balance point is key. Needs to come off the inside of the D Handle for the magic to happen.
I have tried several single and double attachment point harness lines since the first BRM's came out and eventually settled on Jeff Howard's double attachment point bungee (kiteboarding.com). Soft, out of the way when not in use, easy, can comfortable grab it with my free hand when riding one handed.
I got the 30cm BRM (the length Gregg recommends as a starting point) to go with my new BRM S3 3.4m just to try it and am surprised at how much I like it. It is light, just rigid enough, easy, and the way it feels being right on the balance point is great. I'm a convert.
Yeah, Greg’s harness is great! Just want a shorter one and to have a cheaper option.
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$5339 Aud or $3757 USDfor a 4’10” !!! Looks good but also kinda looks like a fairly stock standard wing board. Yes the hollow construction is cool but who would actually fork out that much cash for fancy construction on a small compact board where swing weight isn’t really a problem anyway. At those dimensions it’s a good wind only board even for light weight riders. Using it only in good solid wind’s only further reduces the need for ultra light ultra expensive construction.
I fear Greg has indulged in too much of the Maui wowee and has taken a wrong turn on this one.
D Grip Bar (Shovel Handle) v. Straight Bar:
I am hoping that someone can give a better comparison than this since I don't yet have much time on my 3.4 and also...I'm not that good. I can't even tack yet (skateboard yes, but have not tried on the water yet). What motivated me to try the straight bar is how much I love flying one handed.
Straight bar pros:
- One handed flying (when on foil) was natural and comfy. I can put my hand right in the middle of the sweet spot.
Straight bar cons:
- In light wind it's hard to keep it out of the water when climbing on the board and getting to my feet and taxiing (compared to other parawings).
D grip bar pros:
- Awesome when powered up two handed unhooked
- Awesome when powered up one handed hooked in.
- The BRM harness line, the balance, the natural feel, all good.
- Improved wrist ergonomics, and not just when holding the padded part of the D. Also when holding the arms of the D. You get about 45 degrees less twist in your wrist when doing a downloop jibe, or a tack. (So far, I have only tacked on skateboard).
- Grabbing the far arm (over the top grip) (my friend calls it the puppet master grip) twists the bar and applies more tension on the upper A lines which seems to greatly improve light wind handling.
D grip bar cons:
- One handed flying. This was really annoying on day one, but as I adapt this seems to be getting closer to being equal but different. Time will tell.
Any tips on light wind handling would be appreciated. Like in a lull down to 8-10 mph. Pulling on the horizontal red line to get it to rise, and pulling on an outer A line to keep a tip from hitting the water are obvious...anything else?
I experiences the same using an F-One Quest bar (the small one has the same distance between A's and brake lines as on the D-bar).
I use the F-One Quest harness line now which is much easier to hook in without having to look. Works great IF you attach it the same way the BRM mono line is attached. If you attach it just after the junction with the D part you are out of balance.
The D-bar is ergonimic but for me it is a pain taxiing, collapsing and redeploying. Even after 10 sessions on the 5,3 now.
I will try the S3 with a "T" bar to have the best of both world
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I experiences the same using an F-One Quest bar (the small one has the same distance between A's and brake lines as on the D-bar).
I use the F-One Quest harness line now which is much easier to hook in without having to look. Works great IF you attach it the same way the BRM mono line is attached. If you attach it just after the junction with the D part you are out of balance.
The D-bar is ergonimic but for me it is a pain taxiing, collapsing and redeploying. Even after 10 sessions on the 5,3 now.
I will try the S3 with a "T" bar to have the best of both worldSelect to expand quoteFrankieboy said..
I experiences the same using an F-One Quest bar (the small one has the same distance between A's and brake lines as on the D-bar).
I use the F-One Quest harness line now which is much easier to hook in without having to look. Works great IF you attach it the same way the BRM mono line is attached. If you attach it just after the junction with the D part you are out of balance.
The D-bar is ergonimic but for me it is a pain taxiing, collapsing and redeploying. Even after 10 sessions on the 5,3 now.
I will try the S3 with a "T" bar to have the best of both world
What’s yr “T” bar look like Frankie?
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D Grip Bar (Shovel Handle) v. Straight Bar:
I am hoping that someone can give a better comparison than this since I don't yet have much time on my 3.4 and also...I'm not that good. I can't even tack yet (skateboard yes, but have not tried on the water yet). What motivated me to try the straight bar is how much I love flying one handed.
Straight bar pros:
- One handed flying (when on foil) was natural and comfy. I can put my hand right in the middle of the sweet spot.
Straight bar cons:
- In light wind it's hard to keep it out of the water when climbing on the board and getting to my feet and taxiing (compared to other parawings).
D grip bar pros:
- Awesome when powered up two handed unhooked
- Awesome when powered up one handed hooked in.
- The BRM harness line, the balance, the natural feel, all good.
- Improved wrist ergonomics, and not just when holding the padded part of the D. Also when holding the arms of the D. You get about 45 degrees less twist in your wrist when doing a downloop jibe, or a tack. (So far, I have only tacked on skateboard).
- Grabbing the far arm (over the top grip) (my friend calls it the puppet master grip) twists the bar and applies more tension on the upper A lines which seems to greatly improve light wind handling.
D grip bar cons:
- One handed flying. This was really annoying on day one, but as I adapt this seems to be getting closer to being equal but different. Time will tell.
Any tips on light wind handling would be appreciated. Like in a lull down to 8-10 mph. Pulling on the horizontal red line to get it to rise, and pulling on an outer A line to keep a tip from hitting the water are obvious...anything else?
Yeah pretty much agree with the cons. Toeside one handed doesn't really work with the D handle. Tacking is also a problem, for me at least, because I tack with my front hand. I'm now trying to learn with the back hand.
