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Created by waveslave > 9 months ago, 17 Jun 2010
gruezi
WA, 3464 posts
18 Jun 2010 11:38AM
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You answered your own question Slave....it is about what the customer wants.... duh.

Go Celtics...

junglist
VIC, 701 posts
18 Jun 2010 2:11PM
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Spacemonkey! said...

junglist said...

Slave

Totally agree with you my man. Why engineer multiple points of failure into a design?



Maybe we should go back to two line then?



Thats a silly argument monkey boy. Not all progress is postive my friend.

gruezi
WA, 3464 posts
18 Jun 2010 12:45PM
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Agreed with JL.

Slave, perhaps you could put that great mind of yours to work and come up with a one pump redesign.

Back to ball.

Spacemonkey!
SA, 2288 posts
18 Jun 2010 2:40PM
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junglist said...

Thats a silly argument monkey boy. Not all progress is postive my friend.


I was just pointing out 4 lines has more points of failure than 2 and that 4 lines is a better design most people
would agree.

vader
NSW, 418 posts
18 Jun 2010 4:35PM
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wave slave needs to burry his head in the sand and pull it out when his attitude to kiteing improves. he`ll be there a while. dh

lostinlondon
VIC, 1159 posts
18 Jun 2010 4:53PM
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getfunky said...



They add a pooofteenth to the weight admitedly, but then i ended up with 3 strut kites so have saved I would estimate 400% less weight by that choice.

Wouldn't touch an internal one pump with a barge pole tho. Can't believe they even made it onto the market. Trouble.




So Funky, if a kite weights 5 kilos, and you make it 400% lighter, does that make the kite weigh -15 kilos? In other words - 3 strut kites are like helium balloons?

Internal one pump on Naish kites also have valves that only let air flow from the leading edge to the strut, not the other way around - if you get a leak, a simple process of logic should establish where the leak is. Naish supply a spare Octopus valve in the repair kit - it doesn't look like rocket science to replace. They have had Octopus on their gear for what, 5 seasons now? Naish have demonstrated that they won't stick with something that doesn't work (Look how the Sigma has evolved over the last 3 years, anyone heard of the Alliance?)

Juddy
WA, 1103 posts
18 Jun 2010 3:01PM
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Pump? WTF is a pump?

who needs 'em???

Bring on the flames....

dave......
WA, 2119 posts
18 Jun 2010 3:04PM
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^^^^^^what he means is........ 1 strut + bladder + valve = 200g
extra weight from 1 pump 50g

400% of 50 is 200.....get it.

getfunky
WA, 4485 posts
18 Jun 2010 3:15PM
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Hey LIL

Er.. I didn't want to start a Naish bash - so I didn't name them (I think Best has internal linkiing also?) but putting the fiddly bits inside the sewn up stuff is not a great idea IMO. It may save a tiny bit of aerodynimc efficiancy but what a hassle - compared to external fiddly bits.

2nd Er.. I worded that badly (and embelished a tad). I meant lopping off 2 struts - compared to 5 on most kites - would probably save more weight than the addition of a few extra bits of plumbing. Actually I did exagerate and it might break even but I think the 2 struts would be a lot more weight?

I like the idea of helium filled kites tho - surprised no-one has suggested it before.

hookworm
VIC, 600 posts
18 Jun 2010 6:11PM
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waveslave said...

One-pump is INDUSTRY driven planned-obsolescence.
It's an evil plan to deliberately rat-f#ck a perfectly simple thing like a kite.
It limits the kite's useful life and tempts many crew to prematurely purchase new gear.
Rather than throwing good money at expensive shop-repairs on failed inflation systems ...
crew may opt to quit the piece-of-sh1t and just buy a new kite in a bag.
One-pump makes a kite heavier, more expensive to make, and more complicated to repair.
One-pump does not make a kite fly better.
One-pump does not make a kite any safer.
One-pump must die.
*One-pump was originally invented for snowkiting.



bet you drive a car with no power steering for the same reasons

wdric
NSW, 1625 posts
18 Jun 2010 6:16PM
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waveslave said
You see,
what really makes me chuckle is all the design effort that goes into conceiving over-complicated plumbing in a simple kite.



Yes funny you are talking about why they bother to concieve something over complicated, a waste of effort really.

When was the slave conceived

lotofwind
NSW, 6451 posts
18 Jun 2010 6:53PM
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^^^^I think he was hatched in a test tube

Dont see how one pump is a DISASTER when something goes wrong???????

Each strut is clamped off seperate so if one strut leaks the whole kite dosent deflate.Same us multi inflate.

Its no harder to repair a strut or find a leak.

Quicker to inflate and deflate.

Whats ya problem????????

Or have you just run out of things to complain about??

bobdaboarder
NSW, 185 posts
18 Jun 2010 7:22PM
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Be interested to know if a kite would be cheaper without single pump inflation.

Capt.Gumby
QLD, 354 posts
18 Jun 2010 7:38PM
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I take it by your attitude that you don't ride a one pump kite? So what do you care if other kites have the onepump or not? Personally, as Sir Rowdy stated, easy to realign bladders if/when needed to repair, never had a problem with the system itself (damn simple) and never have to worry about inflating small bladders and trying to pinch them off quickly without losing air.

I shouldn't be replying, been drinking too much

waveslave
WA, 4263 posts
18 Jun 2010 7:03PM
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Capt.Gumby said...

I take it by your attitude that you don't ride a one pump kite? So what do you care if other kites have the onepump or not?


You're correct. ^^^
I don't fly a kite with one-pump.
And I don't care if crew fly kites with one-pump either.
It's their problem.
What I care about is having the option.
If kite companies offer one-pump, they should also offer multi-pump on the same kite.
All I'm asking for is choice.

jumphi
NSW, 30 posts
18 Jun 2010 9:14PM
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One positive with multiple pump is while you're spending time trying to inflate all those struts hopefully gives you less time to post you're trivial crap here!

bennie
ACT, 1258 posts
18 Jun 2010 9:30PM
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one pump means all struts are uniform in pressure.
I have used kites with one pump for years. One kite has been bashed for 3 seasons. Never had a problem with one pump. Never had a problem repairing bladder leaks because of one pump. I have saved countless minutes each session in setup time.
One pump conveinience far outways any perceived negatives.
I wouldn't buy a kite without it

waveslave
WA, 4263 posts
18 Jun 2010 7:38PM
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jumphi said...

One positive with multiple pump is while you're spending time trying to inflate all those struts hopefully gives you less time to post you're trivial crap here!


For me, it's not about struts or less pumping time or more pumping time. ^^^
It's about having options.
Hell, I fly delta-shape kites with 4 struts only.
And the 4 struts are permanently pumped-up.
All I need to do is pump up the main bladder when I go kiting.
I beat the one-pump dudes in the inflation race.

lotofwind
NSW, 6451 posts
18 Jun 2010 9:39PM
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Maybe time to go back to poledancing slave?????

The amount of whinging,,,seems your at that whinging old man age that suits windsuffering.lol

Then you wont have to be streessssssed out about death leashes,one pumps or if strapped riders should be labled.

waveslave
WA, 4263 posts
18 Jun 2010 7:43PM
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lol.
That's the most gayworthy post you have ever made, lotto. ^^^
haha

lotofwind
NSW, 6451 posts
18 Jun 2010 9:53PM
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just stating the facts

Cant wait for the release of the 2011 SLAVE kite.
With the NO DEATH LEASH attachment points.
And
Simple 7 point inflation system.

Only sold to the hard core,non-pussies

waveslave
WA, 4263 posts
18 Jun 2010 8:13PM
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By the looks of it,
It seems fashion outweighs function when it comes to kite design.
The sport has been totally pussified.
It's only a matter of time when I'll have no choice but to buy a one-pump kite.
When that happens, I might become the first guy ever to convert a one-pump into a multi-pump kite.
(Unless someone has already done this?)
It could be a nice little project for me.

lotofwind
NSW, 6451 posts
18 Jun 2010 10:16PM
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One pump is function,,,,not fashion???

Quicker,simple,easy = function

Yeah,I'll shut up now,,
I know Im just bangen my head against the wall

all in good fun slave

mattyjee
WA, 575 posts
18 Jun 2010 8:42PM
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waveslave said...
It's only a matter of time when I'll have no choice but to buy a one-pump kite.


No **** sherlock.

Just like you cant buy a car without power steering or one with a carburettor. Its called progress. Do you still listen to cassettes and hand cheques over in the post office to pay for your bills?

If you "like to tinker with kite stuff" (which is a direct quote from yourself) then what's the effort in making your own gay-arse multi pump system.

I dont think this is about one pump at all. I just think you like to ****-stir.
lol.

hoop
1979 posts
18 Jun 2010 8:45PM
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Legitimate question here. Even though this thread has become one of the funniest ,yet disturbing I have read for a while.
Mr Slave, have you made your own kite yet? I would have thought you have the equipment and the technology to do so. If not, why not?

colinwill78
VIC, 1395 posts
18 Jun 2010 10:52PM
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waveslave said...

lol.
That's the most gayworthy post you have ever made, lotto. ^^^
haha


lol, gayworthy

colinwill78
VIC, 1395 posts
18 Jun 2010 10:53PM
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I've invented a pump with seven outlets and over 10m of hose. One pump convenience with 8 valve reliability.
surprised no-one has thought of it before.

colinwill78
VIC, 1395 posts
18 Jun 2010 11:00PM
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waveslave said...All I'm asking for is choice.




as stated in the title of this thread

chronic
NSW, 318 posts
18 Jun 2010 11:13PM
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Spacemonkey! said...

I have heard from several naish owners that the octopus system makes bladder repairs an absolute slut.


sluts are good

wdric
NSW, 1625 posts
18 Jun 2010 11:15PM
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Maybe slave is just sick of being everyones kite bitch because everyone else wtih onepump is setup quicker than him and has to launch them all



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