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Windsurfing Vs Sailboarding

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Created by knot board > 9 months ago, 15 Feb 2008
knot board
QLD, 1241 posts
15 Feb 2008 1:29PM
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A colleague just walked past and said 'I see it's windy today I suppose you'll be leaving early to go sailboarding'

To which I replied "yes"

But then I thought, I'm not a sailboarder I'm a windsurfer.

Windsurfing damn it!
I'm a Windsurfer who is going Windsurfing, I called as he walked away.

But am I?
What's the difference?
When does sailboarding become windsurfing?
Can I only windsurf in the surf?
Is sailboarding done by begginers on longboards and windsurfing performed on shortboards?
If I can't jibe can I still be a windsurfer?

I've been critical in the past of kiteboarders calling them themselves kitesurfers when they're not surfing. Should I say sorry?

Pugwash
WA, 7733 posts
15 Feb 2008 12:33PM
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knot board said...

Should I say sorry?


Why not, it will make you popular

This is an interesting one... I was talking to some people from Chile, yada yada, said I was into windsurfing, they were like, Oh, longboards on lakes and stuff... I said, no, small boards, ocean etc etc... They said to me, you mean funboarding, that is what we call it, my dad used to be a windsurfer

grumplestiltskin
WA, 2331 posts
15 Feb 2008 12:47PM
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Not that I care what its called ... but wasn't there some dispute back in the dark ages about "windsurfer" being a brand, so you weren't allowed to use it as a generic term, hence the reference to sailboarding, sailboarder etc.

jp747
1553 posts
15 Feb 2008 12:51PM
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sailboarding sounds slow or on top of a big board with triangular sails something from resort ads and windsurfing sounds more alive and zippy

aus301
QLD, 2039 posts
15 Feb 2008 2:00PM
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it's much the same as rollerblade vs in line skate.

windsurfer is a brand, sailboard is the name of the sport, however most just call it windsurfing after the most well known brand of the early days (same as rollerbladeing)

Geez I even remember people saying they are going to hoover the carpet

russh
SA, 3027 posts
15 Feb 2008 2:32PM
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Windsurfing is something you do with wind and waves - sailboarding is something you do with just wind -

Sailboarding is what we seem to be doing with overwhelming regularity around the mid coast of late as there just isn't any waves locally

What we have been doing lately should be called bored sailing - or sail boredom.

C'mon huey send us some swell - I can actually say I am sick of chasing wind and getting nothing but flat water sailing - wednesday - I came out of the water and said - I am sick of sailboarding - time to lock up the gear and see if the sparkle comes back - hell I've never done that before.

Help!

AUS1111
WA, 3621 posts
15 Feb 2008 1:05PM
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Yeah, it was sailboarding (or even "boardsailing") when "windsurfer" was a brand, but I think everyone's over that so it's just windsurfing now isn't it?

Hell, in Europe "surfing" is something you do down a mountain on a nasty steel-edged thing with your feet in bindings!

Revhead
ACT, 372 posts
15 Feb 2008 3:47PM
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"sailboarding" is a term I reckon, that prats use. Like "bicycling" and "lashings of ginger beer", and "gosh".

Windsurfing, surfing the wind, just sounds cooler and so is more in line with the character of the person who windsurfs.

"Wavesailing" was a term we used to use when there were wind and waves at the same time and we'd windsurf in it.

stribo
QLD, 1628 posts
15 Feb 2008 2:56PM
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Wind + Surf = Windsurf

It's simple if theres no surf your sailboarding.

evlPanda
NSW, 9207 posts
15 Feb 2008 4:33PM
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stribo said...

Wind + Surf = Windsurf

It's simple if theres no surf your sailboarding.


Mmm, your logic is close.

If Wind + Surf = WindSurf

Then

Wind = Wind
No Wind = Sail
Surf = Surf
No Surf = Board

Therefore
Wind + no Surf = WindBoarding (and that just sounds stupid)
No Wind + no Surf = SailBoarding

Therefore SailBoards do exist but you can't actually go SailBoarding, nobody has ever SailBoarded... except, I've just noticed in lulls.

...So if I hit a lull, on flatwater, my WindBoard turns into a SailBoard???

And what about chop? How big until it is surf? How big does surf have to be to not be chop? Am I ever riding a ChoppingBoard? "Hey, come ChopBoarding this weekend!"

(Bonus points: When does a Boogie-Board turn into a BodyBoard?)

laff77
NSW, 273 posts
15 Feb 2008 4:37PM
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evlPanda said...

stribo said...

Wind + Surf = Windsurf

It's simple if theres no surf your sailboarding.


Mmm, your logic is close.

If Wind + Surf = WindSurf

Then

Wind = Wind
No Wind = Sail
Surf = Surf
No Surf = Board

Therefore
Wind + no Surf = WindBoarding (and that just sounds stupid)
No Wind + no Surf = SailBoarding

Therefore SailBoards do exist but you can't actually go SailBoarding, nobody has ever SailBoarded... except, I've just noticed in lulls.

...So if I hit a lull, on flatwater, my WindBoard turns into a SailBoard???

And what about chop? How big until it is surf? How big does surf have to be to not be chop? Am I ever riding a ChoppingBoard? "Hey, come ChopBoarding this weekend!"

(When does a Boogie-Board turn into a BodyBoard?)


LOL! That's hillarious!!!!

Mobydisc
NSW, 9029 posts
15 Feb 2008 4:37PM
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stribo said...

Wind + Surf = Windsurf

It's simple if theres no surf your sailboarding.


So according to that logic when you sail a Windsurfer One Design is sailing on flat water its actually sailboarding?

No. As mentioned above, the term sailboarding was used when Windsurfer International protected its patent and brandname and everyone else was too scared to use the term windsurfer or windsurfing incase they received a nasty letter from a solicitor.

stribo
QLD, 1628 posts
15 Feb 2008 3:41PM
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evlPanda said...

stribo said...

Wind + Surf = Windsurf

It's simple if theres no surf your sailboarding.


Mmm, your logic is close.

If Wind + Surf = WindSurf

Then

Wind = Wind
No Wind = Sail
Surf = Surf
No Surf = Board

Therefore
Wind + no Surf = WindBoarding (and that just sounds stupid)
No Wind + no Surf = SailBoarding

Therefore SailBoards do exist but you can't actually go SailBoarding, nobody has ever SailBoarded... except, I've just noticed in lulls.

...So if I hit a lull, on flatwater, my WindBoard turns into a SailBoard???

And what about chop? How big until it is surf? How big does surf have to be to not be chop? Am I ever riding a ChoppingBoard? "Hey, come ChopBoarding this weekend!"

(Bonus points: When does a Boogie-Board turn into a BodyBoard?)


Correct.

stribo
QLD, 1628 posts
15 Feb 2008 3:44PM
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Mobydisc said...

stribo said...

Wind + Surf = Windsurf

It's simple if theres no surf your sailboarding.


So according to that logic when you sail a Windsurfer One Design is sailing on flat water its actually sailboarding?

No. As mentioned above, the term sailboarding was used when Windsurfer International protected its patent and brandname and everyone else was too scared to use the term windsurfer or windsurfing incase they received a nasty letter from a solicitor.



You would be sailboarding on a "windsurfer one design"

So who's going to Dutchies this arvo for some chop boarding?

knot board
QLD, 1241 posts
15 Feb 2008 3:52PM
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stribo said...

Mobydisc said...

stribo said...

Wind + Surf = Windsurf

It's simple if theres no surf your sailboarding.


So according to that logic when you sail a Windsurfer One Design is sailing on flat water its actually sailboarding?

No. As mentioned above, the term sailboarding was used when Windsurfer International protected its patent and brandname and everyone else was too scared to use the term windsurfer or windsurfing incase they received a nasty letter from a solicitor.



You would be sailboarding on a "windsurfer one design"

So who's going to Dutchies this arvo for some chop boarding?



I'm going sailing this afternoon with porkchop, I though chop boarding was something he did

If you go wave sailing with no wind are you surf-boarding?

P.C_simpson
WA, 1492 posts
15 Feb 2008 2:59PM
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I always say i'm going sailing, windsurfer was a brand, so we are all sailboarders i think, most non sailboarders call it windsurfing. i've heard a few good one, like windboarding always makes me laugh, you don't call every car a ford because it was the first one to make a car, or if you go for a mountain bike ride you don't say i'm going mongoosing..

knot board
QLD, 1241 posts
15 Feb 2008 4:03PM
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This topic is very interesting but I'll have to pick it up tomorrow as now I'm going out for a Wally.

Mobydisc
NSW, 9029 posts
15 Feb 2008 5:11PM
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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windsurfing

www.dictionary.com/browse/windsurfing

You can call windsurfing anything you want but the fact is you do not need waves to windsurf. That was the whole point of Schweitzer and Drake's invention. A gadget to go surfing when there were no waves.

MikeyS
VIC, 1509 posts
15 Feb 2008 5:21PM
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aus301 said...

it's much the same as rollerblade vs in line skate.

windsurfer is a brand, sailboard is the name of the sport, however most just call it windsurfing after the most well known brand of the early days (same as rollerbladeing)

Geez I even remember people saying they are going to hoover the carpet


From the US Patent and Trademark Office database-

Mark WINDSURFER
Goods and Services (EXPIRED) : SURFBOARDS. FIRST USE: 19690815. FIRST USE IN COMMERCE: 19690815
Serial Number 72433306
Filing Date August 21, 1972
Registration Number 0962616
Registration Date July 3, 1973
Owner (REGISTRANT) WINDSURFING INTERNATIONAL, INC. CORPORATION CALIFORNIA 1808 STANFORD AVE. SANTA MONICA, CALIF.
Live/Dead Indicator DEAD

Mark WINDSURFER and logo
Goods and Services (CANCELLED) : Sailboats Having a Free Sail System. FIRST USE: 19690815. FIRST USE IN COMMERCE: 19690815
Serial Number 73145428
Filing Date October 20, 1977
Registration Number 1195641
Registration Date May 18, 1982
Owner (REGISTRANT) WINDSURFING INTERNATIONAL, INC. CORPORATION CALIFORNIA 1955 WEST 190TH STREET TORRANCE CALIFORNIA 90291
Attorney of Record NILSSON, ROBBINS, DALGARN, BERLINER ETAL
Prior Registrations 0909519;0962616;0997974
Live/Dead Indicator DEAD
Cancellation Date February 22, 2003


Word Mark WINDSURFER
Goods and Services SAILBOATS COMPRISING A SURFBOARDTYPE HULL AND A SAIL. FIRST USE: 19690815. FIRST USE IN COMMERCE: 19690815
Serial Number 73008013
Filing Date December 3, 1973
Registration Number 0997974
Registration Date November 12, 1974
Owner (REGISTRANT) WINDSURFING INTERNATIONAL, INC. CORPORATION CALIFORNIA 621 STONE CANYON ROAD LOS ANGELES CALIFORNIA 90077
Attorney of Record BILLY A. Prior Registrations 0909519;0962616
Type of Mark TRADEMARK
Renewal 1ST RENEWAL 19950731
Live/Dead Indicator DEAD

WINDSURFER was the trademark coined and registered by Windsurfing International. At the time undar US law, their registrations wouldn't have stopped people from using the mark as a generic description to describe the sport, but they could have stopped other traders from using the word WINDSURFER in relation to their products. (For those who are interested (probably no-one) there has since been a change in US law so trademark owners can prevent "dilution" of their registered marks by generic misuse by others. There are no similar anti-dilution laws in Australia.)

However, over many years of misuse by the public and inadequate remedial action by Windsurfing International, the mark has fallen into generic use. The trademark registrations have also died.

None of this answers what the "correct" name for the sport is, just as long as it ain't called "kiting"

And it's interesting to see how Windsurfing International described their goods as "surfboards" and "sailboats having a free sail system".

Roo
882 posts
15 Feb 2008 3:28PM
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Think I'll just go boardsailing!

yoyo
WA, 1646 posts
15 Feb 2008 3:52PM
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I think it also is a location thing. WA historically has lots of good wave sailors (Scotty etc) the term "windsurf" fitted the image in the mind of most when referring to the sport as practiced in WA.
Having seen sailors glide around lakes in Switzerland and the UK in ~2-5 knots on longish boards the terms sailboard and boardsailing seemed more appropriate though ironically the Euros used the term "le Surf" which just seemed weird to an Aussie... where was the surf?

But with Kiteboarding winning out (over Kitesurfing) I can see a return to the term Sailboarding to differentiate the 2 in the mind of the general community. "Do you Kiteboard or Sailboard?" etc

The gps thing will also encourage this shift as it is associated with "sail speed records" not "windspeed records" or windsurf speed records.

evlPanda
NSW, 9207 posts
15 Feb 2008 6:02PM
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C'mon, it's a "WindSurfer". Ask any 10 year old.

Gybesports
NSW, 193 posts
15 Feb 2008 6:16PM
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Sailboard has been the generic term for the equipment and boardsailing is the sports official name under the olympic committeee.

If you delve deeper into the trademark thing or were part of the battle back in the 80's you will see that the imortant part of the patent was the universal joint which at the time on windsurfer brand was the mechanical type! Some smart people came up with using a rubber engine mount as a Uni to break the patent and the rest is history

pweedas
WA, 4642 posts
15 Feb 2008 4:18PM
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I think that if 'sitting on your fat ass jabbing at a keyboard with your fingers, with your eyes fixed in a blank stare at the monitor' can be called "Surfing the net!" (groan. I cringe every time I hear it ) then flogging across the water at 20 knots hanging from a mast and boom by a bit of rope, has every right to be called "windsurfing".

But if they reassess 'sitting on your fat ass jabbing at a keyboard with your fingers, with your eyes fixed in a blank stare at the monitor' and rename it ''sitting on your fat ass jabbing at a keyboard with your fingers, with your eyes fixed in a blank stare at the monitor",..... then I will say I go sailboarding!

yoyo
WA, 1646 posts
15 Feb 2008 4:26PM
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Sailboard is more descriptive.

Windsurfer... are you talking about the sailor or the board? It could be either.

Sailboard = the board

Sailboarder = the rider of the sailboard.

Just stirring here... I'm off to go windsurfing (on the flattest water I can find).

evlPanda
NSW, 9207 posts
15 Feb 2008 6:28PM
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yoyo said...

Sailboard is more descriptive.

Windsurfer... are you talking about the sailor or the board? It could be either.

Sailboard = the board

Sailboarder = the rider of the sailboard.

Just stirring here... I'm off to go windsurfing (on the flattest water I can find).


I have a windsurfer hanging on my wall in the garage.

grumplestiltskin
WA, 2331 posts
15 Feb 2008 4:30PM
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pweedas said...

I think that if 'sitting on your fat ass jabbing at a keyboard with your fingers, with your eyes fixed in a blank stare at the monitor' can be called "Surfing the net!" (groan. I cringe every time I hear it ) then flogging across the water at 20 knots hanging from a mast and boom by a bit of rope, has every right to be called "windsurfing".

But if they reassess 'sitting on your fat ass jabbing at a keyboard with your fingers, with your eyes fixed in a blank stare at the monitor' and rename it ''sitting on your fat ass jabbing at a keyboard with your fingers, with your eyes fixed in a blank stare at the monitor",..... then I will say I go sailboarding!





funny, thats what I call it when I catch my staff at it

its definately NOT called that when I'm doing it, which is about 98% of my time at work

stribo
QLD, 1628 posts
15 Feb 2008 5:38PM
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We all harness the wind so i suppose you could call it "windharnessing"

As in "I'm gunna drop in on a 50 foot wave at jaws on my wind-harnesser"

AUS1111
WA, 3621 posts
15 Feb 2008 5:25PM
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How about "waterboarding", which the US Congress looks set to ban everywhere, not just Maui!!!

WA waverider
WA, 79 posts
15 Feb 2008 5:57PM
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waves plus wind =wavesailing for my money

DL
WA, 659 posts
15 Feb 2008 6:33PM
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evlPanda said...

(Bonus points: When does a Boogie-Board turn into a BodyBoard?)


When the boogie-board rider feels embarrassed about using a children's toy, they call it a bodyboard in a desperate attempt to get some credibility.



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