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Windsurfing Vs Sailboarding

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Created by knot board > 9 months ago, 15 Feb 2008
DavMen
NSW, 1510 posts
15 Feb 2008 9:05PM
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I just tell people "I'm going for a sail" - they don't need more information than that. If they know me, they know exactly where I'm going. If they don't how gives a sh!t.

pweedas
WA, 4642 posts
15 Feb 2008 7:08PM
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DL said...

evlPanda said...

(Bonus points: When does a Boogie-Board turn into a BodyBoard?)


When the boogie-board rider feels embarrassed about using a children's toy, they call it a bodyboard in a desperate attempt to get some credibility.



No it's because boogie board riders are boogas, and everyone knows they get up your nose.

Haircut
QLD, 6491 posts
15 Feb 2008 8:29PM
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evlPanda said...

stribo said...

Wind + Surf = Windsurf

It's simple if theres no surf your sailboarding.


Mmm, your logic is close.

If Wind + Surf = WindSurf

Then

Wind = Wind
No Wind = Sail
Surf = Surf
No Surf = Board

Therefore
Wind + no Surf = WindBoarding (and that just sounds stupid)
No Wind + no Surf = SailBoarding

Therefore SailBoards do exist but you can't actually go SailBoarding, nobody has ever SailBoarded... except, I've just noticed in lulls.

...So if I hit a lull, on flatwater, my WindBoard turns into a SailBoard???

And what about chop? How big until it is surf? How big does surf have to be to not be chop? Am I ever riding a ChoppingBoard? "Hey, come ChopBoarding this weekend!"

(Bonus points: When does a Boogie-Board turn into a BodyBoard?)


jesus mike, you're as bad as nebbian, and i wouldn't normally say that to anyone

eyeMhardcor
255 posts
15 Feb 2008 7:40PM
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I just call it "surfing, but on a board a bit bigger and thicker than a real surfboard, but also using the wind in a sail to help get around and catch the waves and jump, sailing".

Its a bit long but at least it is the correct terminology and as a bonus most people think i'm hardcore and it helps with chicks and stuff.

monster
TAS, 495 posts
15 Feb 2008 9:44PM
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it was sailboarding 20 years ago so still is sailboading to me but the one i cant get is a water start when it should be a wind start something to think about

Sandi Bottom
WA, 54 posts
15 Feb 2008 8:58PM
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monster said...

it was sailboarding 20 years ago so still is sailboading to me but the one i cant get is a water start when it should be a wind start something to think about


It should be called the Sally start, as in "Lay Down Sally", or alternatively the Robbins start

monster
TAS, 495 posts
15 Feb 2008 11:29PM
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Sandi Bottom said...

monster said...

it was sailboarding 20 years ago so still is sailboading to me but the one i cant get is a water start when it should be a wind start something to think about


It should be called the Sally start, as in "Lay Down Sally", or alternatively the Robbins start


snides8
WA, 1731 posts
15 Feb 2008 9:39PM
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DavMen said...

I just tell people "I'm going for a sail" - they don't need more information than that. If they know me, they know exactly where I'm going. If they don't how gives a sh!t.


exactly what i say!!!
if you are down at the beach chatting to another sailor in between sessions,and you want to hit the water again...do you say "i am about to go windsurfing now" or "i feel like going sailboarding again" or do you say "i'm going for a sail" ?

Gestalt
QLD, 14995 posts
15 Feb 2008 10:44PM
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snides8 said...

DavMen said...

I just tell people "I'm going for a sail" - they don't need more information than that. If they know me, they know exactly where I'm going. If they don't how gives a sh!t.


exactly what i say!!!
if you are down at the beach chatting to another sailor in between sessions,and you want to hit the water again...do you say "i am about to go windsurfing now" or "i feel like going sailboarding again" or do you say "i'm going for a sail" ?


totally agree too.

greenleader
QLD, 5283 posts
15 Feb 2008 11:04PM
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i normally say, "look out everyone, i'm about to cut sick"

Richiefish
QLD, 5612 posts
15 Feb 2008 11:50PM
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It's not whats "correct" it's what people say. In 2008, most people refer to IT as WINDSURFING....eg. Where ya going.?A windsurfing Whats that stuff n ya car?? Thats my windsurfin' gear..Are you one of those crazy windsurfing guys?? yes....But then again..when you're "clicking" the sail to the board.

paddymac
WA, 943 posts
16 Feb 2008 12:29AM
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Google is all knowing

Windsurfing
www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=windsurfing&btnG=Google+Search&meta=&gws_rd=ssl

15,300,000 hits

Sailboarding
www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=sailboarding&btnG=Google+Search&meta=

88,600 hits

17 to 1 ratio

Gestalt
QLD, 14995 posts
16 Feb 2008 1:33AM
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i think to the average punter it's all kitesurfing isn't it?

waveslave
WA, 4263 posts
16 Feb 2008 12:42AM
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Hahaah
Man, this is so sad.
After all these years, poleys still can't agree on a name for their sport.
It's poledancing, isn't it ?

greenleader
QLD, 5283 posts
16 Feb 2008 1:44AM
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in the late 70's the buzz word was this new sport called "windsurfing"

then the solicitors letters started arriving to anyone who mentioned the word in print or otherwise, unless it was referring to windsurfer (tm)

then we had to call it sail boarding for fear of prosecution.

long live windsurfing!!!!!!!


don't overanalyse it.

Haircut
QLD, 6491 posts
16 Feb 2008 10:24AM
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i just say, cheerio chaps, i'm off for a ride on my wind powered water displacement device

russh
SA, 3027 posts
16 Feb 2008 12:57PM
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waveslave said...

Hahaah
Man, this is so sad.
After all these years, poleys still can't agree on a name for their sport.
It's poledancing, isn't it ?


Nice one marionette

the good thing about what ever we call it is there is no strings attached!

Chris 249
NSW, 3589 posts
18 Feb 2008 12:06AM
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The idea that only surf sailing is windsurfing is pretty weird, considering where the term came from.

The term was created by Bert Salisbury, an early customer of Drake and Schweitzer. Originally the sport was called windsurfing, so the term "windsurfing" actually came from the days of light wind and longboards. It's bollocks to say that windsurfing doesn't mean longboards or light wind.

The boardsailing term only came up when Windsurfing Int'l tried to stop the term becoming generic. They failed, so the term is now applied to the whole sport. That doesn't mean that the term no longer applies to the original style of the sport.

Surfing has changed a hell of a lot since its name was crearted, but no one says that Duke Kahanamakou didn't surf, or that Nat Young doesn't surf his mal.

Sailing has changed a lot since the Viking ships or the first America's Cup, but no one says that the 1850s racing schooners were not sailing.

Flying has changed a hell of a lot between the Wright Flyer and the SR72 Blackbird, but no one says the Wrights didn't fly.

So of course a sport can change without the older style losing its right to the name.

If you say "windsurfing is only strong winds and shortboards", then if you put Drake and Schweitzer (who invented the sport as we know it and applied the name) and Salisbury (who created the term) on original Windsurfers (TM) in a Windsurfer One Design (TM) championship, they wouldn't be windsurfing. That's ridiculous and illogical.

Wineman
NSW, 1412 posts
18 Feb 2008 12:23AM
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Chris 249

rescued a wally from the footpath today.
In excellent condition...you want
Sent you a PM

cheers

da vecta
QLD, 2515 posts
17 Feb 2008 11:42PM
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is there anything better than hearing a surf report end with "there is a SE seabreeze expected later in the day good for the windwankers!".


stribo
QLD, 1628 posts
17 Feb 2008 11:56PM
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Chris 249 said...

The idea that only surf sailing is windsurfing is pretty weird, considering where the term came from.

The term was created by Bert Salisbury, an early customer of Drake and Schweitzer. Originally the sport was called windsurfing, so the term "windsurfing" actually came from the days of light wind and longboards. It's bollocks to say that windsurfing doesn't mean longboards or light wind.

The boardsailing term only came up when Windsurfing Int'l tried to stop the term becoming generic. They failed, so the term is now applied to the whole sport. That doesn't mean that the term no longer applies to the original style of the sport.

Surfing has changed a hell of a lot since its name was crearted, but no one says that Duke Kahanamakou didn't surf, or that Nat Young doesn't surf his mal.

Sailing has changed a lot since the Viking ships or the first America's Cup, but no one says that the 1850s racing schooners were not sailing.

Flying has changed a hell of a lot between the Wright Flyer and the SR72 Blackbird, but no one says the Wrights didn't fly.

So of course a sport can change without the older style losing its right to the name.

If you say "windsurfing is only strong winds and shortboards", then if you put Drake and Schweitzer (who invented the sport as we know it and applied the name) and Salisbury (who created the term) on original Windsurfers (TM) in a Windsurfer One Design (TM) championship, they wouldn't be windsurfing. That's ridiculous and illogical.


Whats ridiculous and illogical is saying that you can surf without a wave.
Wind + surf = Windsurf
sail + board = Sailboard
So take your sailboard into the waves and your windsurfing.
Take your sailboard to a lake and your sailboarding.

pweedas
WA, 4642 posts
17 Feb 2008 11:41PM
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stribo said...

Whats ridiculous and illogical is saying that you can surf without a wave.
Wind + surf = Windsurf
sail + board = Sailboard
So take your sailboard into the waves and your windsurfing.
Take your sailboard to a lake and your sailboarding.


Yes but now you're back to where you were a page ago. i.e. what if you go WINDSURFING and the waves turn to crap. e.g. Dutch Inn.
Do you start off Windsurfing, then a bit of Chopboarding, then a bit of Swillboarding, and finish off with a bit of Sailboarding when there are no waves at all?
Or is it that you start off windsurfing so no matter what happens you are still windsurfing?

Anyway, this has all the logic of a religious argument and Laurie says "no religion or politics!"
So lets just call it WINDSURFING!

Gestalt
QLD, 14995 posts
18 Feb 2008 1:05AM
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surfin' sailin

greenleader
QLD, 5283 posts
18 Feb 2008 1:55AM
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windwankers

Chris 249
NSW, 3589 posts
18 Feb 2008 11:12AM
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stribo said...

Chris 249 said...

The idea that only surf sailing is windsurfing is pretty weird, considering where the term came from.

The term was created by Bert Salisbury, an early customer of Drake and Schweitzer. Originally the sport was called windsurfing, so the term "windsurfing" actually came from the days of light wind and longboards. It's bollocks to say that windsurfing doesn't mean longboards or light wind.

The boardsailing term only came up when Windsurfing Int'l tried to stop the term becoming generic. They failed, so the term is now applied to the whole sport. That doesn't mean that the term no longer applies to the original style of the sport.

Surfing has changed a hell of a lot since its name was crearted, but no one says that Duke Kahanamakou didn't surf, or that Nat Young doesn't surf his mal.

Sailing has changed a lot since the Viking ships or the first America's Cup, but no one says that the 1850s racing schooners were not sailing.

Flying has changed a hell of a lot between the Wright Flyer and the SR72 Blackbird, but no one says the Wrights didn't fly.

So of course a sport can change without the older style losing its right to the name.

If you say "windsurfing is only strong winds and shortboards", then if you put Drake and Schweitzer (who invented the sport as we know it and applied the name) and Salisbury (who created the term) on original Windsurfers (TM) in a Windsurfer One Design (TM) championship, they wouldn't be windsurfing. That's ridiculous and illogical.


Whats ridiculous and illogical is saying that you can surf without a wave.
Wind + surf = Windsurf
sail + board = Sailboard
So take your sailboard into the waves and your windsurfing.
Take your sailboard to a lake and your sailboarding.


I apologise for saying "ridiculous and illogical"; I was taking a break from writing a report late at night.

However, when I look up definitions of surfing and think of what surfers think of surfing, it seems that they only reckon you're really surfing (as distinct from suitting out the back, or paddling out) when you're actually on a wave. So does that mean when you're on a waveboard, you're windSURFING when you're on a wave but sailboarding when you're jumping or gybing or planing across the flats between waves??

You can surf the net without a wave....oh, and the internet isn't built of bits of string tied together and used to catch fish or butterflies but we still use the term "net". You can make up a compound word without staying 100% true to the definition of parts of the term. Look at skateboarding - a skate used to be something you use on ice but now we have wheels on them. An expensive deck isn't just a bit of board, skates aren't what used to be called skates, that doesn't mean it's called "small wheels hanging off a truck underneath a deck-ing".

We go mountain biking whether we go out down steep singletrack or along the freeway on our MTBs....it's not as if a bike changes from a "road bike" to a "hill bike" and then a "city bike" or "mountain bike" during the day as the terrain changes.

The idea that the term "windsurfing" originally meant wavesailing just isn't true. The Windsurfer was meant for flat water more than for wavesailing. The very man who invented the term created it for a new sport that was not done in surf, so why should it suddenly be taken apart and given a new meaning that goes against the meaning of its creator and the guys who created the sport?

Sure, there's "surf" in the name. So? IIRC the "surf" meant that the board looked like a surfboard (and was in fact a copy of a Matt Kivlin tanker tandem).

If you want to get so literal, since when did a "fish" surfboard have scales and gills? Does a Mal have to come from Malibu?

Sorry, I just can't see how you can tell the man who created the term and the men who created the sport and used the term, that they got it wrong when they called standing on a 12 foot board in light winds "windsurfing". Hey, they made it, they get to call it what they want.

needsalt
NSW, 385 posts
18 Feb 2008 11:43AM
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It's definitely windsurfing - waves or no waves. But I have to admit, I go windsurfing, but I find myself calling my boards 'sailboards' to the uninitiated. Why is that?? To be true to windsurfing, what is the best way to refer to a board but still effectively distinguish it from the 50 other types of board in the shed??

Krusty
NSW, 441 posts
18 Feb 2008 11:51AM
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Its called, 'whatever you want to call it' who really cares!

Richiefish
QLD, 5612 posts
18 Feb 2008 10:58AM
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needsalt said...

It's definitely windsurfing - waves or no waves. But I have to admit, I go windsurfing, but I find myself calling my boards 'sailboards' to the uninitiated. Why is that?? To be true to windsurfing, what is the best way to refer to a board but still effectively distinguish it from the 50 other types of board in the shed??




you could give them names like harry,george,or bertha????

knot board
QLD, 1241 posts
18 Feb 2008 11:00AM
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Scenario - Laying in front of you on the ground are several different boards.

1. a kite board
2. a skate board
3. a snow board
4. a wake board
5. a boogie board
6. a sail board

Now describe the sport performed on each board

1. Kiteboarding
2. Skateboarding
3. snowboarding
4. wakeboarding
5. boogieboarding
6. windsurfing

Can you pick the odd one out


Note: I intentionally left out surf board to avoid controversy because I'm yet to meet anyone who goes surfboarding



Mobydisc
NSW, 9029 posts
18 Feb 2008 12:46PM
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knot board said...

Scenario - Laying in front of you on the ground are several different boards.

1. a kite board
2. a skate board
3. a snow board
4. a wake board
5. a boogie board
6. a sail board

Now describe the sport performed on each board

1. Kiteboarding
2. Skateboarding
3. snowboarding
4. wakeboarding
5. boogieboarding
6. windsurfing

Can you pick the odd one out


Note: I intentionally left out surf board to avoid controversy because I'm yet to meet anyone who goes surfboarding






Similar scenario - - Laying in front of you on the ground are several different boards.

1. a kite board
2. a skate board
3. a snow board
4. a wake board
5. a boogie board
6. a windsurfer

Now describe the sport performed on each board

1. Kiteboarding
2. Skateboarding
3. snowboarding
4. wakeboarding
5. boogieboarding
6. windsurfing

Can you pick the odd one out

yeah so can I, five of them are compound words ending in board. One of them is a compound word ending in surf.

Windsurfing FTW! Nuf said.






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